FIA to launch probe on '08 Singapore GP

if the guys at renault have at least a bit of a brain it won't be possible to prove that alonso knew it.

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it will not help ... anyone with a minimum of intelligence realizes that fernando took part in this "trash" and pathetic press denials... who want to fool? should think that the fans are all stupid :p

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What's the essential difference between Irvine/Barrichello moving over to let Schumacher win and what Piquet did? The one method is a lot more obvious than the other, that's all. Both methods ruin the sport but this type of thing is happening, all the time. Some people would say that Fisichella "allowed" Kimi past at the Spa restart because that would go down nicely at Ferrari...

Anyway, I believe that Alonso knew. Even if it doesn't come out, he knew. And Alonso was upset about the politics at McLaren!

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Alonso is always upset at things that don't go his way

slider Wrote:
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> What's the essential difference between
> Irvine/Barrichello moving over to let Schumacher
> win and what Piquet did? The one method is a lot
> more obvious than the other, that's all. Both
> methods ruin the sport but this type of thing is
> happening, all the time. Some people would say
> that Fisichella "allowed" Kimi past at the Spa
> restart because that would go down nicely at
> Ferrari...
>
> Anyway, I believe that Alonso knew. Even if it
> doesn't come out, he knew. And Alonso was upset
> about the politics at McLaren!


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Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 09/11/2009 07:50AM by micky-cannonball.

First things first. Wait for the FIA/WMSC to return a guilty verdict BEFORE you try argue whether or not Alonso knew about such a scheme.

slider Wrote:
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> What's the essential difference between
> Irvine/Barrichello moving over to let Schumacher
> win and what Piquet did? The one method is a lot
> more obvious than the other, that's all. Both
> methods ruin the sport but this type of thing is
> happening, all the time. Some people would say
> that Fisichella "allowed" Kimi past at the Spa
> restart because that would go down nicely at
> Ferrari...
>

erm, because what piquet may have done would be about 1000 times more dangerous than just moving over.

what would have happend if he'd screwed it up and ended up being collected by another car?

not to mention that the crash resulted in marshals having to come onto the track to assist. what if something had happened to one of them?

motor racing is dangerous enough without people pulling stunts like this. (which is the main reason i'm still finding it hard to believe that these allegations are true)

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renault just raised the stakes,

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/11/2009 12:30PM by marwood82.

Interesting that Renault have launched proceedings against the Piquets - if they (Renault) are guilty, that's one hell of a bluff.

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The worst thing is, if Renault pull out of F1 because of this, people who played no part in any of the alleged decisions will lose their jobs. These things have a huge ripple effect.

Team CLR Wrote:
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> First things first. Wait for the FIA/WMSC to
> return a guilty verdict BEFORE you try argue
> whether or not Alonso knew about such a scheme.

analyze the facts already available (BEFORE)... he (fernando) did not know?

why then a strategy for just 12 laps??? trial and found guilty by FIA? for what? need? examine the facts...

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I know what Piquet did was dangerous. A wheel into the crowd could have been disastrous. However, my point was that "arranging" a win is not new. This is just a newer way to get it done. When Schumacher "parked" his car at Monaco, that was just the start of things, I think.

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> why then a strategy for just 12 laps??? trial and
> found guilty by FIA? for what? need? examine the
> facts...

It's quite a common tactic on tracks where a safety car is likely. If you're going to anticipate a safety car, you either go very long or very short. It lets you get the less ideal tyre out of the way early on, in the shortest stint. It's especially common on tracks where it's easier to overtake.

Alonso was going to do sod all if he just went for the same strategy as everyone else, so it made sense to put him out of sync with the other runners - he had a greater chance of making more positions by taking an aggressive strategy.

There are an incredible number of people who are assuming that Renault are guilty already, despite the overwhelming fact that nobody yet ha sufficient evidence or understanding of the case to make a judgement.

What, are you all bored? Get a grip FFS.

This latest development with Renault vs Piquet is interesting. Whilst I couldn't possibly comment on which party is in the wrong here, I personally would LOVE to see Piquet incriminated and have his racing license permanently suspended. He's not a pleasant character IMHO, and his father is the most corrupt man in modern-day motor racing.

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Mosley has confirmed that Piquet himself has been promised immunity from being punished over the matter, as part of the deal for him providing evidence.

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RUBBISH!

Looks like Mosley just wants to get back at the carmakers.

Sauber89, Lewis and Fernando had immunity. The Renault prosecution could be a huge bluff but I think it's more down to Flavio telling a solid defense case against Piquet to Renault's president. Piquet is one guy saying that and hopes his evidence will show the team took the initiative while Renault has Flavio and Pat both telling the same, though to me their side of the story is suspicious.

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> Sauber89, Lewis and Fernando had immunity.

But Lewis and Fernando were not part of main cheating aspect, there were aware it was ferarri information but they weren't peronsally stealing the information, whereas here Piquet is part of the cheating and endangered 19 other guys with his actions.

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Looks pretty bleak for Renault there

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> whereas here Piquet is part of the cheating and endangered 19 other guys with his
> actions.


Jesus Christ, does the term "innocent until proven guilty" mean nothing to you morons?

I give up.

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> does the term "innocent until proven
> guilty" mean nothing to you morons?
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> I give up.

THANK YOU!!

We can sit and speculate and decipher the given facts however we want, but at the end of the day, how we see it is completely irrelevant. At the end of the day only what the WSMC says matters, they'll have all the info possible, they'll have the testimonies etc, it's up to THEM to decide.