FIA to launch probe on '08 Singapore GP

Locke Cole Wrote:
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> Jesus Christ, does the term "innocent until proven
> guilty" mean nothing to you morons?
>
> I give up.

I was pointing out there that this case was different to the 07 spying row and thus Piquet shouldn't be given immunity because he's admitted deliberately crashing.

From The Times
September 11, 2009
Nelson Piquet Jr: ‘I crashed on purpose’

But I correct myself on the use of the word cheating.

Sauber89 Wrote:
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> Guimengo Wrote:
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> > Sauber89, Lewis and Fernando had immunity.
>
> But Lewis and Fernando were not part of main
> cheating aspect, there were aware it was ferarri
> information but they weren't peronsally stealing
> the information, whereas here Piquet is part of
> the cheating and endangered 19 other guys with his
> actions.


They were aware and benefitted from it, therefore part of it. The same way Piquet should have not crashed, they should have refused to race.

renault + piquet, goodbye and good riddance! Even if they are proven innocent, i just hope renault (the company) just finally give up and get out

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chet Wrote:
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> He did the same at Spain that year I think! But
> thats Spain.

Doing it when you are in Q3 is completely different to doing it when you are qualified in Q2!


Sauber89 Wrote:
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> Mosley has confirmed that Piquet himself has been
> promised immunity from being punished over the
> matter, as part of the deal for him providing
> evidence.
>
> www.autosport.com
>
> RUBBISH!

That's why Renault have launched criminal proceedings, Piquet can't get immunity from that!

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Guimengo Wrote:
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> By the way, lovely read on that axisofoversteer
> pdf

Definitely. Looks like a pretty well put together piece.
Pat Symonds' answers in the interview made good reading in particular.

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interesting ... all responsibility and blame for this episode in piquet jr. is unacceptable. the two renaultf1 directors (briatore and symonds) must be banned for life and as a fernando... well, he knew everything and accept this farce... should also be punish.

EDIT:

what kind of person is briatore???
suggested that piquet jr. have (had) a homosexual affair! :p

this rubbish is being reported in various media (online)... ridiculous!

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Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 09/11/2009 08:48PM by phantaman.

Locke Cole Wrote:
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> Sauber89 Wrote:
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> ...
> > whereas here Piquet is part of the cheating and
> endangered 19 other guys with his
> > actions.
>
>
> Jesus Christ, does the term "innocent until proven
> guilty" mean nothing to you morons?
>
> I give up.


But Piquet has admitting crashing on purpose. His statement says so. So Piquet IS guilty. The only thing up for debate is whether or not it was his decision, or Flavio and Pats decision, and now the blackmailing from the Piquet family.

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phantaman Wrote:
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> it will not help ... anyone with a minimum of
> intelligence realizes that fernando took part in
> this "trash" and pathetic press denials... who
> want to fool? should think that the fans are all
> stupid :p


anyone with minimum intelligence will know that the chances of piquet finishing an F1 race last year where about 5%, the chances of him not finishing a race where about 95%, and that's for a daytime race, how low will the chances go on a Night street course??????

Renault lawyers are going to walk all over him..... easy

Even though the leaked evidence suggests Renault, Briatore and Symonds are pretty much screwed, I can´t help but think that, if it´s really true, why on earth would Renault sack Piquet midseason? Did they think he would keep it a secret after being thrown out before the expiration of his contract? If Briatore knew beforehand the kind of people the Piquets are, why would he make them keepers of such a secret?

Piquet Jr. states that he crashed in the hope he would get his contract renewed. Symonds and Briatore did not put a gun on his head to do it, they apparently told him he should do it. If this is true, He could still have behaved differently. It´s Piquet´s very own fault, IMO. He should be punished for it.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 09/11/2009 09:47PM by dierome.

Did they think he would keep it a secret after being thrown out before the expiration of his contract?

Because leaking the secret would cause the death of Piquets career. It is career suicide. If it wasn't bad enough that his performances in F1 were poor at best, now he is exceptionally damaged goods. Even if he is found innocent (which he can't be - he has admitted crashing on purpose), he is still going to be stuck with this forever. No team will tocuh him now.

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Well that´s my point....If they indeed planned this plot, they would have foreseen that sacking Piquet would have disastrous consequences. That´s why that very point of Piquet´s sacking does not fit with this whole race fixing theory.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/11/2009 09:59PM by dierome.

i see no comment here about:

1) briatore have ended the careers of several drivers and it is only in f1 for profit;

2) benetton (renault) should have been eliminated because of that dark episode in the 1994 world championship;

3) fernando alonso ... he is two-time world champion, has any place in any team and nothing knew about his strategy? rss... :p

the interesting thing is that all you believe that piquet jr. did everything alone... nobody (briatore, symonds and renault) knew and took part on this? only he should be banned? why?

can only be a joke... this can not be serious

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/12/2009 01:16AM by phantaman.

I´ll comment on them for you,

1- He´s a team boss. Hos job is to make a profit, the same as any other boss. He´s very good at making money, hence why he is still a team boss. Every team is the same, every team, with perhaps the exception of Williams and possible Brawn, are there to make money.

2- But they weren´t. Pretty much every team has "bended the rules" at some stage. If we went by that logic then Ferrari are out, Mclaren are out, BAR/HONDA/Brawn are out, and I bet pretty much every team on the grid at some stage or another.

3- Why not? IMO, this is nothing to do with Fernando, although he benefited from it, there´s nothing at all to suggest he knew anything about it. Piquet has even said so. The only who appear to be involved in this is Flav, Symonds and Piquet.

The issue I think most people have, well me certainly, is that Piquet (both of them) are not very likeable people. NPJ caused an accident on track, which is dangerous. It doesn´t matter how many people told him to do it, the fact is it was Nelsons decision to do it. That much we know is fact, because he has said so. Nelson deliberately endangered the lives of other people and himself. If it was a simply Rubens/Schumacher Austria thing, more people would be against Renault I think. This is more serious and the worse part is, the one guy who actually did something wrong, is the one who won´t face charges. Using Bernies theory, if you rob a bank, you cant say Bernie told you to do it. something like that.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/12/2009 02:12AM by airefresco.

So far the one thing to not add is how Pat admits it was talked about but Flavio outright says no.

if anyone's read the leaked documents it makes for an interesting read. Pat Symonds will be saying his goodbyes to Renault! Then again any team not to bid for his services would be foolish. A catch as good as Alonso!!

[axisofoversteer.com]

That is ofc providing this documentation is infact genuine!

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"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL

airefresco schrieb:
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> I´ll comment on them for you,
>
> 1- He´s a team boss. Hos job is to make a
> profit, the same as any other boss. He´s very
> good at making money, hence why he is still a team
> boss. Every team is the same, every team, with
> perhaps the exception of Williams and possible
> Brawn, are there to make money.
>
> 2- But they weren´t. Pretty much every team has
> "bended the rules" at some stage. If we went by
> that logic then Ferrari are out, Mclaren are out,
> BAR/HONDA/Brawn are out, and I bet pretty much
> every team on the grid at some stage or another.
>
> 3- Why not? IMO, this is nothing to do with
> Fernando, although he benefited from it, there´s
> nothing at all to suggest he knew anything about
> it. Piquet has even said so. The only who appear
> to be involved in this is Flav, Symonds and
> Piquet.
>
> The issue I think most people have, well me
> certainly, is that Piquet (both of them) are not
> very likeable people. NPJ caused an accident on
> track, which is dangerous. It doesn´t matter how
> many people told him to do it, the fact is it was
> Nelsons decision to do it. That much we know is
> fact, because he has said so. Nelson deliberately
> endangered the lives of other people and himself.
> If it was a simply Rubens/Schumacher Austria
> thing, more people would be against Renault I
> think. This is more serious and the worse part
> is, the one guy who actually did something wrong,
> is the one who won´t face charges. Using Bernies
> theory, if you rob a bank, you cant say Bernie
> told you to do it. something like that.

well said

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phantaman schreef:
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> i see no comment here about:
>
> 1) briatore have ended the careers of several
> drivers and it is only in f1 for profit;
>
> 2) benetton (renault) should have been eliminated
> because of that dark episode in the 1994 world
> championship;
>
> 3) fernando alonso ... he is two-time world
> champion, has any place in any team and nothing
> knew about his strategy? rss... :p
>
> the interesting thing is that all you believe that
> piquet jr. did everything alone... nobody
> (briatore, symonds and renault) knew and took part
> on this? only he should be banned? why?
>
> can only be a joke... this can not be serious


I see a bitter Piquet fan.

Nickv Wrote:
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>
> I see a bitter Piquet fan.

your mistake... i'm a fan of what is considered by many people one of the great drivers.

AYRTON SENNA DA SILVA

looks like i'm defending nelson piquet jr.? he made a mistake, but not alone... there are more people with him in it

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/12/2009 02:44PM by phantaman.

Webber said in the pre-qualifying show something about decisions made when at gunpoint.

If the story is true, and Flavio and Pat did ask Piquet to do it then his first concern would have been his, and other drivers saftey, and although we can not determine what can happen in a crash with regards to other drivers and cars maybe being involved. Pat, Flavio nad Piquet would make sure that they do their best not to involve any other driver or track marshal. Its not excusable what he did, but how many people do make silly decisions? I guess now the best thing is that he accepts what he did was wrong, and like he said, he wont be bullied into any decisions again.

Im not taking his side at all, im just trying to view it from his perspective.

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"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL

@phantaman yeah, he was a great entertainer, but did alot of dirty stuff both inside and outside of the track