FIA to launch probe on '08 Singapore GP

Monza972 Wrote:
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> Ferrari should protest and say that it cost them
> the victory!

I already mentioned it above


Monza972 Wrote:
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> But yeah, being Globo TV and anonymous tip off
> it's all making me think Piquet.

Yes, i agree that its too much of a coincidence to not be Piquet.

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X (@ed24f1)

Looks like F1's getting in on rugby's "Bloodgate" scandal...

If by chance Renault are found guilty, surely the man to punish would be Piquet for being such a spineless gimp and going through with it...?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/30/2009 09:40PM by The Lopper.

To me this investigation really isn't a good idea if Renault are already at a stage where they might pull out of F1. A scandal like this could make sure they pack their bags.

Bet this is just another way for Mosley to get one over Briatore.

SchueyFan Wrote:
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> Monza972 Wrote:
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> > Ferrari should protest and say that it cost
> them
> > the victory!
>
> I already mentioned it above
>

I just used that to start my argument

Spoilers?

This is all abit silly isnt it?

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"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL

Lewis and Laonso kept their points during Mclaren Spygate. It would be hard to see Alonso losing the win and any points. Renault will get blasted though if found guilty.

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/30/2009 10:35PM by rapid_f1.

Anyone else getting the feeling Piquet Sr could be heavily involved in this, too? That would tie in with Nelsinho not mentioning it on his Twitter page etc. His dad could've advised him not to. Also, he's probably pretty pissed off with Flav and Renault himself for dumping his boy. Plus, he knows just how to play the media; he used them to get back at rivals and detractors during his own final years as an F1 driver - when he was at Lotus, etc.
Just a thought, I might be wrong, but everything does seem to fit.

SchueyFan Wrote:
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> EC83 Wrote:
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> > SchueyFan Wrote:
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> > > Wow, if Piquet is doing this to get back at
> > > Briatore, what a way to do it!
> > >
> > > Tbh, i hope that the points aren't changed,
> > > because it would be a pity to change the
> > > championship margin now.
> > >
> > >
> > > Also, if it is proven true, then the actions
> > > probably cost Massa the championship as well,
> > from
> > > the resulting SC and his pitstop dramas. I
> > think
> > > Ferrari should protest!
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> > If it was proven true then they probably would
> > have grounds to protest.
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> I was only joking, you can't protest on
> hypothetical means.
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> Unless they protest for the race to become null
> and void

Haha, yeah you're right about the protest grounds, but with this being Ferrari you never know! Especially as making that race null and void would still give Massa the Championship!


The Lopper Wrote:
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> Looks like F1's getting in on rugby's "Bloodgate"
> scandal...
>
> If by chance Renault are found guilty, surely the
> man to punish would be Piquet for being such a
> spineless gimp and going through with it...?

The guy to punish would be the guy the orders came from, or the guy they can be traced back to. Piquet would just be seen as the messenger, as it were.

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EC83 Wrote:
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> Anyone else getting the feeling Piquet Sr could be
> heavily involved in this, too? That would tie in
> with Nelsinho not mentioning it on his Twitter
> page etc. His dad could've advised him not to.
> Also, he's probably pretty pissed off with Flav
> and Renault himself for dumping his boy. Plus, he
> knows just how to play the media; he used them to
> get back at rivals and detractors during his own
> final years as an F1 driver - when he was at
> Lotus, etc.
> Just a thought, I might be wrong, but everything
> does seem to fit.
>
> SchueyFan Wrote:
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> > EC83 Wrote:
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> > > SchueyFan Wrote:
> > >
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> >
> > > -----
> > > > Wow, if Piquet is doing this to get back at
> > > > Briatore, what a way to do it!
> > > >
> > > > Tbh, i hope that the points aren't changed,
> > > > because it would be a pity to change the
> > > > championship margin now.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Also, if it is proven true, then the
> actions
> > > > probably cost Massa the championship as
> well,
> > > from
> > > > the resulting SC and his pitstop dramas. I
> > > think
> > > > Ferrari should protest!
> > >
> > > If it was proven true then they probably
> would
> > > have grounds to protest.
> >
> > I was only joking, you can't protest on
> > hypothetical means.
> >
> > Unless they protest for the race to become null
> > and void
>
> Haha, yeah you're right about the protest grounds,
> but with this being Ferrari you never know!
> Especially as making that race null and void would
> still give Massa the Championship!
>

Now I wouldn't mind that!

The way Piquet is acting is a discredit to him as a professional.

Laughing at Grosjean on his twitter is sad. (Most probably) starting this rumour is very very sad. But in fact, if the Singapur 08 issue is true, it is even much worse.

I don't believe it. But if finally it's proved to be true, penalties should be applied for all the involved: to him, the first, for doing it, and then, to anyone that planned it. If Alonso also planned this (which it's even harder to believe) he should lost the race.

The FIA is surely going to question Piquet, and he will surely deny it. I won't understand any fan supporting Piquet if he admits this. IMO, he just wants to discredit Flavio, but this is discrediting him even more.

dont you think you are overreacting because Renault and Flavio would never be so dumb to do that to win. Renault won 2 World Titles with Alonso and dont need an idiot like Piquet to win a Race and by the way The Strategie from Alonso was good anyway because he pitted early to be in no mans land and at last place so he could push with nobody infront and when everbody else pitted he had free air and had a good position too, but only if piquet wouldnt have crashed.So he did and Alonso won so what are you gonna do about it fia.Please dont take the win away from Fernando please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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alonso0506 Wrote:
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> dont you think you are overreacting because
> Renault and Flavio would never be so dumb to do
> that to win.

By replacing Renault with Benetton and looking at the 1994 season, you can fairly easily prove that wrong.

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X (@ed24f1)

So either they've preplanned this all along or they've told him over the radio. It can't be the latter (unless code was used (they couldn't use "don't crash this lap Nelson" as they would have used that all the time anyway)) as the stewards can listen to the audio streams during or after the race. And I just find the preplanned call a bit far-fetched.

I'm calling bitter ex-employee like most seem to be, and he shouldn't be allowed to race in any category again if that's what it is.

gav Wrote:
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> It can't be the
> latter (unless code was used (they couldn't use
> "don't crash this lap Nelson" as they would have
> used that all the time anyway))

LOL!!!

Has it been confirmed where the story came from? The obvious answer would be Piquet but why would the FIA launch an investigation just because of the words from Piquet. Not even they are that blind, they must have something else other than his words, if they have his at all....

The one to get punished will be Piquet too, he must have thought about that???? He cant be that dumb either.

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"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL

All that's known is that it came from an 'anonymous source' to the (Brazilian) Globo network.

I'm not entirely convinced that even Nelson Piquet (either one) is quite that stupid, but given what we do know... well.

Seriously, if it is Nelson, even if it turns out as common knowledge but not proven, then who's going to hire him now? In a matter of a month he's blasted his own team, then apparently told tales on them to the head teacher, whether rightly or wrongly. It would be like handling hot rocks - who's going to put up with those potential politics?

If it's not either Piquet then for his own good they need to come out and categorically deny everything. His F1 career is mostly likely over if they don't (unless daddy buys a team again).

I'm not entirely convinced that even Nelson Piquet (either one) is quite that stupid, but given what we do know... well.

I'd say he could be that stupid. Afterall he is currently ending his motorsport career using only Twitter atm.

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Very supprised he has not jumped out to deny it was him.

But Brazilian TV Globo network is pretty friendly with Piquet, both of them. They are the network he revlealed all to soon after his sacking.

edit - I wouldnt put it past Falvio for doing it, Renaults future has often been under question, a win could change that.

BUT its impossible to plan isnt it? Even the smallest thing could completley send the plan tits up. It depends too much on the other teams and drivers. This is just complete BS and a waste of time IMO.

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"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/31/2009 02:53PM by chet.

BUT its impossible to plan isnt it? Even the smallest thing could completley send the plan tits up. It depends too much on the other teams and drivers.

It is difficult, not impossible. They know the fuel loads of the cars in front, and all of the meaningful cars. So they know when they'll pit. All you need to do is schedule Alonsos at what they expect to be the right time and then get Piquet to screw up. So you could say that it is difficult to do and a long shot, but who says they hadn't been trying to get that done for half the year?

I'm not saying they did do it. It sounds ridiculous. But it is very possible. And Flavios isn't the most reputable man in the pit lane.

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who says they hadn't been trying to get that done for half the year?

"Yeah...thats the real reason I kept crashing!"

Im suprised we havent heard more infomation. The FIA cant seriously be investigating based on "tipsters" from Globo TV can they?

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"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL