Malaysian F1 Grand Prix ***SPOILERS***

Yeah, he might be able to pick up a point or something like that

I love how they've removed most of the gravel, and Massa managed to beach on the tiny bit there was left. Genius.

Hehe

You can hear the throttle "jump" and the precise moment when he floored it. You can also see that when stopped in the gravel, he floored it again and the car made a tiny jump forward as it spat the gravel out the back, beaching it. Had he used the throttle correctly (yeah yeah, i know this is Massa...) then he could have recovered it from the gravel anyway.

Fail. Fail again.

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DaveEllis Wrote:
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> You can also see that> when stopped in the gravel, he
> floored it again and the car made a tiny jump forward
> as it spat the gravel out the back, beaching it. Had
> he used the throttle correctly (yeah yeah, i know this
> is Massa...) then he could have recovered it from the
> gravel anyway.
>
> Fail. Fail again.

Nah, once that thing had stopped there there was no way it was coming out under its own power. Definitely worth a fail though.

Have to admit when he did drop it I thought at the time something (else) had failed. It just didn't seem feasible to spin off there, and on live listens I never heard any real change in throttle application.

His main mistake there was going over the kerbs on the first right hander. That's a corner where you normally don't attack the kerbs as there is no need for it.

elemental Wrote:
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> I love how they've removed most of the gravel, and
> Massa managed to beach on the tiny bit there was
> left. Genius.


a bit like in China last year where Lewis got stuck in the gravel in the pitlane, no real reason to have a graveltrap there, unless they consciously wanted to punish drivers who went too fast into the pitlane.

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Muks_C Wrote:
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> elemental Wrote:
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> > I love how they've removed most of the gravel,
> and
> > Massa managed to beach on the tiny bit there
> was
> > left. Genius.
>
>
> a bit like in China last year where Lewis got
> stuck in the gravel in the pitlane, no real reason
> to have a graveltrap there, unless they
> consciously wanted to punish drivers who went too
> fast into the pitlane.


Or because nobody could expect a driver to get off the track entering the pit-lane...at least I don't remember many...

elemental Wrote:
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> I love how they've removed most of the gravel, and
> Massa managed to beach on the tiny bit there was
> left. Genius.


Totally, my thoughts exactly! That strip of gravel can't have been more than 7-8 metres wide.
Of all the drivers Massa has struggled the most since the loss of traction control. 2 times he's raced the car, and 2 times he's binned it in a traction zone....

Ali Wrote:
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> Or because nobody could expect a driver to get off
> the track entering the pit-lane...at least I don't
> remember many...


but they should expect drivers to push to the limit in the pitlane, because every tenth of a second counts. whoever planned where the graveltraps and runoss were situated should have envisioned that someone who eneter the pitlane too quickly might go wide, so the whole area should be tarmac.

on the other hand, maybe like i said before, they put the gravel there on purpose to act as a deterrent to drivers so they take more care when entering the pitlane.

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i dont kow how relaistic gp4 is but ive just tried playing it with tc off and its amazing, a little throttle and the back end wants to swap ends, very oversteery, on the limit.

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rapid_f1 Wrote:
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> i dont kow how relaistic gp4 is but ive just tried
> playing it with tc off and its amazing, a little
> throttle and the back end wants to swap ends, very
> oversteery, on the limit.

Hmmmm...depends on car setup. I tried the same thing in Malaysia, no TC and a keyboard, and with my setup I can do that corner flat in 4th gear without worry of the car losing the rear. Might be related to physics too.

At Massa's speed in that corner I don't think you could lose the rear like that even flooring it. In case of full throttle in that scenario the back may loosen up a little but not enough to spin like that IMO.

As explained though, in my tests i did not ride the inside kerbs, and he did. That might have made the difference, since you generally lose downforce.

Muks_C Wrote:
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> but they should expect drivers to push to the
> limit in the pitlane, because every tenth of a
> second counts. whoever planned where the
> graveltraps and runoss were situated should have
> envisioned that someone who eneter the pitlane too
> quickly might go wide, so the whole area should be
> tarmac.

Everyone else has been calling for less tarmac runoffs, yet here you are campaigning for one where it's least needed? At least a gravel trap punishes silly mistakes.

As Brundle once said about the old chicane at Magny-Cours, "there should be big spikes in there".

did anyone noticed kubicas laptimes in a stint? he did amazingly well, what a bloody great consistency!

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Kubica has impressed me a lot. I expected him to flop since the loss of TC, however its been the opposite.

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Yes, great improvement from last year. Kubica might just beat Heidfeld this year.

Muks_C Wrote:
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> Ali Wrote:
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> -----
>
> > Or because nobody could expect a driver to get
> off
> > the track entering the pit-lane...at least I
> don't
> > remember many...
>
>
> but they should expect drivers to push to the
> limit in the pitlane, because every tenth of a
> second counts. whoever planned where the
> graveltraps and runoss were situated should have
> envisioned that someone who eneter the pitlane too
> quickly might go wide, so the whole area should be
> tarmac.
>
> on the other hand, maybe like i said before, they
> put the gravel there on purpose to act as a
> deterrent to drivers so they take more care when
> entering the pitlane.

I agree on the second part. Of course they could expect drivers to push to the limit entering the pit-lane, but somewhere you have to put the limit. If the whole area is tarmac, drivers would go much faster taking that curve and probable cutting a little bit the trajectory, so I think the gravel is "rightly" placed there.