GPGSL S7 [SEASON COMPLETED!!!] Rule Changes Announced For S8.

Rod_vs Wrote:
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> truecrysis Wrote:
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> > Rod_vs Wrote:
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> > > Attention, GPGSL members: how much seconds is
> > > added on penalty?? oO
> >
> > The penalty as stated in the rules is 12.5
> > seconds, so im afraid 6th is correct rod
>
>
> Yes, it's correct... but I think it's so little...
> because driver spends about 25 seconds to make a
> pit stop. So, penalty time needs to be 25 seconds!


The reason its 12.5 and not 25 is because the driver one stopping also runs with worn tyres for longer and also on a heavier fuel load. If you look at the fastest laps, John was the slowest driver out there, so he did well to even cross the line first. That in part is due to the track and there not being a great many places to pass. Monaco would be even worse, so 12.5 seconds doesn't seem enough. However, when you take into account tracks such as Monza, Montreal and Spa, he would just be a sitting duck, so 12.5 seems really harsh! It's a compromise really.

Sure, you feel hard done by Rod, but have you thought how hard done by John is, 3 races in a row that could have been so much different?



5 x WCC - S5, S6, S7, S8, S10 | 4 x WDC - S5 Nick van der Voort ; S6, S7, S8 Ed Greenhalgh | 2 x WTC - S6 Stuart Ingers; S8 Andrei Sevastian

Yeah, I kinda have to agree with Stu on this one. I don't necessarily understand why one stopping is happening (and always to John), but since it is the penalty is fair.

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GPGSL: S6 - TafuroGP Tester (14th) /// S7 - ART Tester (6th) /// S8 - Demon Driver (13th) /// S9 - Demon/Snake Driver (13th) /// S10 - Snake Driver (???) ///]
"My ambition is handicapped by laziness" - Charles Bukowski



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/22/2012 11:42AM by Incident 2k9.

somogyi23 Wrote:
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> this is because, the tyre/fuel rate is very
> unrealistic in GP4. If you stop earlier, you get
> advantage because with the fresh tyres, you are
> lot faster (in formula 1 - this is the normal
> since 2010, with no refuelling). But until 2009,
> it was like you have advantage if you stop later.
>
> When I Play GP4 i usually set very low rate in
> Magic data - AI Race Performance (if you set it
> about 800-900, the picture of the race would be
> more realistic). but the default setting in the
> tracks are usually around 3-4000

I wonder what effect this would have on a GPGSL race - would it perhaps solve the issue of the mysterious one stopper? (Possibly not, but worth having a go, right?)

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Diax F1 Wrote:
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> somogyi23 Wrote:
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> > this is because, the tyre/fuel rate is very
> > unrealistic in GP4. If you stop earlier, you
> get
> > advantage because with the fresh tyres, you are
> > lot faster (in formula 1 - this is the normal
> > since 2010, with no refuelling). But until
> 2009,
> > it was like you have advantage if you stop
> later.
> >
> > When I Play GP4 i usually set very low rate in
> > Magic data - AI Race Performance (if you set it
> > about 800-900, the picture of the race would be
> > more realistic). but the default setting in the
> > tracks are usually around 3-4000
>
> I wonder what effect this would have on a GPGSL
> race - would it perhaps solve the issue of the
> mysterious one stopper? (Possibly not, but worth
> having a go, right?)


I'm gonna test this now, see what effect it has.

EDIT: Ok, I ran Suzuka with AI performace value of 800 and inded it gives those stopping later an advantage at the pitstops. It doesn't solve the one stopper problem, Rodrigo Vilela was on a one stop strategy.



5 x WCC - S5, S6, S7, S8, S10 | 4 x WDC - S5 Nick van der Voort ; S6, S7, S8 Ed Greenhalgh | 2 x WTC - S6 Stuart Ingers; S8 Andrei Sevastian



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/22/2012 12:56PM by Stoopid.

The mysterious one stopper is a typical Grand Prix 4 bug, altough I think you should delete all parameters in the magic data except the two pit stops - datas (not only set the 1 stop percentage to 0)

somogyi23 Wrote:
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> The mysterious one stopper is a typical Grand Prix
> 4 bug, altough I think you should delete all
> parameters in the magic data except the two pit
> stops - datas (not only set the 1 stop percentage
> to 0)

If it's that common a bug is there any reason we couldn't just say everybody does one pit stop instead of the mandatory two.

GPGSL - Christel VXR team Boss S6-S8, S12 Onwards

Notice

The Canadian Grand Prix will have full video coverage. Expect delays!

Additionally, there will be no feature race.

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/22/2012 02:30PM by Diax F1.

Diax F1 Wrote:
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> Notice
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> The Canadian Grand Prix will have fullvideo
> coverage. Expect delays!
>
> Additionally, there will be no feature race.

Phew...no retirements then

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GPGSL: S6 - TafuroGP Tester (14th) /// S7 - ART Tester (6th) /// S8 - Demon Driver (13th) /// S9 - Demon/Snake Driver (13th) /// S10 - Snake Driver (???) ///]
"My ambition is handicapped by laziness" - Charles Bukowski

Good news!

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X (@ed24f1)

somogyi23 Wrote:
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> The mysterious one stopper is a typical Grand Prix
> 4 bug, altough I think you should delete all
> parameters in the magic data except the two pit
> stops - datas (not only set the 1 stop percentage
> to 0)


Oh we do that!



5 x WCC - S5, S6, S7, S8, S10 | 4 x WDC - S5 Nick van der Voort ; S6, S7, S8 Ed Greenhalgh | 2 x WTC - S6 Stuart Ingers; S8 Andrei Sevastian

News is just surfacing that Adam Davies has been involved in an accident in the build upto to the Japanese GP. When out cycling the track he was run down by someone on an experience day at the curcuit.

"It was just one of those things that could not be avoided. A complete accident."

"The team and I did not want to draw attention to it as we did not want the attention to effect our plans for the weekend."

"I was knocked out for a couple of minutes and taken to hospital and checked over"

End of Statement

In all seriousness I was indeed knocked of my bike ;last week cycling home from work. Some idiot ran a red and hit me. So if I have missed activity check apologies but can the circumstances be taken into account.

adamdavies_8 Wrote:
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> News is just surfacing that Adam Davies has been
> involved in an accident in the build upto to the
> Japanese GP. When out cycling the track he was run
> down by someone on an experience day at the
> curcuit.
>
> "It was just one of those things that could not be
> avoided. A complete accident."
>
> "The team and I did not want to draw attention to
> it as we did not want the attention to effect our
> plans for the weekend."
>
> "I was knocked out for a couple of minutes and
> taken to hospital and checked over"
>
> End of Statement
>
> In all seriousness I was indeed knocked of my bike
> ;last week cycling home from work. Some idiot ran
> a red and hit me. So if I have missed activity
> check apologies but can the circumstances be taken
> into account.

Ouch, hope everything's alright mate.

You're fine activity check wise - the deadline isn't until 9

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adamdavies_8 Wrote:
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> News is just surfacing that Adam Davies has been
> involved in an accident in the build upto to the
> Japanese GP. When out cycling the track he was run
> down by someone on an experience day at the
> curcuit.
>
> "It was just one of those things that could not be
> avoided. A complete accident."
>
> "The team and I did not want to draw attention to
> it as we did not want the attention to effect our
> plans for the weekend."
>
> "I was knocked out for a couple of minutes and
> taken to hospital and checked over"
>
> End of Statement
>
> In all seriousness I was indeed knocked of my bike
> ;last week cycling home from work. Some idiot ran
> a red and hit me. So if I have missed activity
> check apologies but can the circumstances be taken
> into account.


that sucks mate. Hope you get well soon

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My GPGSL Career

Is there activity check undergoing?

pycku Wrote:
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> Is there activity check undergoing?

Always occurs at 9 PM my time on the given day. It's not for another 6 hours.

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Nothing against JW personally, but both in Melbourne (here for sure) and in Suzuka (maybe) he had a bit of an advantage coming from the lack of a second pitstop, even with the 12.5 seconds penalty. It's crappy that this bug occurs, for sure, and it's definitely eye-catching that it always happens to JW this season, but generally I think that 12.5 isn't enough. I agree, however, that 25 seconds would be too much on the other hand. So, I'd vote for something in the middle like 16-18 seconds. But that's only my personal 2 cents and I'm aware that a change of this rule is unlikely to happen.


GPGSL : Team Owner of 'Maverick Track Performance' (MTP)

JohnMaverick Wrote:
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> Nothing against JW personally, but both in
> Melbourne (here for sure) and in Suzuka (maybe) he
> had a bit of an advantage coming from the lack of
> a second pitstop, even with the 12.5 seconds
> penalty. It's crappy that this bug occurs, for
> sure, and it's definitely eye-catching that it
> always happens to JW this season, but generally I
> think that 12.5 isn't enough. I agree, however,
> that 25 seconds would be too much on the other
> hand. So, I'd vote for something in the middle
> like 16-18 seconds. But that's only my personal 2
> cents and I'm aware that a change of this rule is
> unlikely to happen.

Again I say, would it not solve the problem to make everyone do only one pitstop each?

GPGSL - Christel VXR team Boss S6-S8, S12 Onwards

JohnMaverick Wrote:
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> Nothing against JW personally, but both in
> Melbourne (here for sure) and in Suzuka (maybe) he
> had a bit of an advantage coming from the lack of
> a second pitstop, even with the 12.5 seconds
> penalty. It's crappy that this bug occurs, for
> sure, and it's definitely eye-catching that it
> always happens to JW this season, but generally I
> think that 12.5 isn't enough. I agree, however,
> that 25 seconds would be too much on the other
> hand. So, I'd vote for something in the middle
> like 16-18 seconds. But that's only my personal 2
> cents and I'm aware that a change of this rule is
> unlikely to happen.


I think the only way around this problem would be to change the rules and make the races one-stop only, but that would have to be something for s8.



5 x WCC - S5, S6, S7, S8, S10 | 4 x WDC - S5 Nick van der Voort ; S6, S7, S8 Ed Greenhalgh | 2 x WTC - S6 Stuart Ingers; S8 Andrei Sevastian

adamdavies_8 Wrote:
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> News is just surfacing that Adam Davies has been
> involved in an accident in the build upto to the
> Japanese GP. When out cycling the track he was run
> down by someone on an experience day at the
> curcuit.
>
> "It was just one of those things that could not be
> avoided. A complete accident."
>
> "The team and I did not want to draw attention to
> it as we did not want the attention to effect our
> plans for the weekend."
>
> "I was knocked out for a couple of minutes and
> taken to hospital and checked over"
>
> End of Statement
>
> In all seriousness I was indeed knocked of my bike
> ;last week cycling home from work. Some idiot ran
> a red and hit me. So if I have missed activity
> check apologies but can the circumstances be taken
> into account.


Hope everything is still in their correct places mate and you can make it to Montreal



5 x WCC - S5, S6, S7, S8, S10 | 4 x WDC - S5 Nick van der Voort ; S6, S7, S8 Ed Greenhalgh | 2 x WTC - S6 Stuart Ingers; S8 Andrei Sevastian

Diax F1 Schreef:
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> Notice
>
> The Canadian Grand Prix will have full video
> coverage. Expect delays!
>
> Additionally, there will be no feature race.

Nice!!!

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