GrandPrixGames SuperLeague - AI based series - Adelaide Australia Race Results Online.

Im confused?

Who is the new boss of KBR?

And will they keep me, I will be upset if I am not kept as a driver considering my performance this season.

Kx

The new boss of KBR is Dan Mills (Danm) but he hasn´t posted in here or anything yet.

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Maybe he needs a nudge or something?



5 x WCC - S5, S6, S7, S8, S10 | 4 x WDC - S5 Nick van der Voort ; S6, S7, S8 Ed Greenhalgh | 2 x WTC - S6 Stuart Ingers; S8 Andrei Sevastian

In my opinion if Dan Mills hasnt posted since he got a message from Nick, or havent even replied it (considering its been a long time) we should give KBR to the next on in line.

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Uh, I thought Bobby was signed, too?

RE: Perfomance files after the 1st season

The problem was the GPGSL perf file season 2 formula wasn't finalised before the start of the season, so that there would be no speculation and everyone'd know what they were getting before it was clear who'd be (dis)advantaged.

So in mid season someone proposed w300 formula, but Mal said some drivers would get lower than starter perf files. Regardless of that though, once the season starts, you arguably can't really make an objective perfomance file formula for next season if you're involved in the series as a driver, owner.
You already see who's infront. Much like the annulment of qualy of Austria.Old story. I've seen some agendas to a degree, and me included, no exception by default.

Anyway, I think Nickv suggested that drivers get 22 to 1 perf points, I followed that premise and likewise suggested the BHP go from 11 to 1.
Technically, I believe it was never offically confirmed though, so it was never rejected, altough I guess it stayed in the air and gave the feeling that was going to be. .

But ofcourse under that proposal, drivers efforts get screwed as I realised when I signed for a backmarking team, as 10 bhp advantage in for a team is a lot more than a top driver gets with 20 perf points advantage.

Yes I will admit as that I had that in mind, when I came up with the new rules, HOWEVER like I've stated before even when I thought I was going to be in a top team, I suggested a default reset of qualy drivers and teams perf files so that backmarkers and midfielders wouldn't get demotivated or that it would be more interesting. And for my motivation too, believe me, it can be lonely and boring at the top

So now what?
Do we keep the presented formula? Or come up with new one? Either way its not objective per se, cause everything is known. This one(5 to 1 bhp) does provide closer racing, but takes away an advantage of a top team. Also takes advantage from the top driver (but less than in combo with 11-1 BHP would)

Anyway, we also need to make a formula for season 3 that will be clear. And known in advance. That's on the list to do.
I wasn't aware of w300 formula, I checked it now, it's interesting, but seem that drivers there had lots more points, different championship points system, besides two races in GPGSL did not count and there was that rule of deducting BHP in our series.

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GPGSL career;
Current team: Team ShadowSubaru, Previous teams: MPR, Minardi
starts:100 Wins: 12, Podiums: 34, Fastest Laps: 14, poles: 12 Points: 708
winner of Belgian GP (s1), Australian GP (s1), Canadian GP (S1), Brazilian GP(s4, s5), Hungarian GP(s3), Italian GP(s3), French GP (s5,s7), Monaco GP (s4) and USA GP



Edited 7 time(s). Last edit at 01/03/2009 07:32PM by BAR#10.

Ugh, Horrible end to the season. After hoping to go for the championship at the start its been disappointing. But next year i'm sure i'll be up there again!

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W300 Career:

Season 1 Team Orange: 4 Wins (Monaco, Germany, Interlagos, Malaysia)

Season 2 Senninha/Team Shadow: 2 Wins (Bahrain, Monaco) Both With Team Shadow.

Season 3 Team Shadow: 1 Pole (Nurburgring)

Season 4 Team Shadow: Hasn't Started Yet!

BAR#10 Wrote:
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> RE: Perfomance files after the 1st season
>
> I wasn't aware of w300 formula, I checked it now,
> it's interesting, but seem that drivers there had
> lots more points, different championship points
> system, besides two races in GPGSL did not count
> and there was that rule of deducting BHP in our
> series.


What was the W300 formula? And surely anyone ending up with a perf lower than the base would just get the base? I must say, I prefer the +11bhp - +1bhp



5 x WCC - S5, S6, S7, S8, S10 | 4 x WDC - S5 Nick van der Voort ; S6, S7, S8 Ed Greenhalgh | 2 x WTC - S6 Stuart Ingers; S8 Andrei Sevastian



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 01/03/2009 09:16PM by Stoopid.

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Edit, here it is
At the end of the WGP/W300 season:
All existing teams failure numbers are reset to 1000
All existing driver failure numbers are reset to 600
Driver performance formula reset.
Example:
First Driver=3,Josh Rayman,16443,600,16493,600 <-end season perf
minus starter perf Qualify 16020 = First Driver=3,Josh Rayman,423,
Divide by 5 = First Driver=3,Josh Rayman,84,
Add to season starter perf = First Driver=3,Josh Rayman,16104,
add 30 to race perf.
First Driver=3,Josh Rayman,16104,600,16134,600 <-new season starter
perf
Team performance formula reset.
Constructors Championship points are divided by 22, then added to the season starter perf.
Example:
Team Orange 657 constructor points /22 = 30
add to season starter perf = Performance=810,830,1000 <-new season starter
perf.

You can read it here.

Since when Stoopid?
I thought you said mine was fair

In 11-1 bhp formula,I think drivers would need to get more perf files points, in order not to be devalued completely.

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GPGSL career;
Current team: Team ShadowSubaru, Previous teams: MPR, Minardi
starts:100 Wins: 12, Podiums: 34, Fastest Laps: 14, poles: 12 Points: 708
winner of Belgian GP (s1), Australian GP (s1), Canadian GP (S1), Brazilian GP(s4, s5), Hungarian GP(s3), Italian GP(s3), French GP (s5,s7), Monaco GP (s4) and USA GP



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/03/2009 09:25PM by BAR#10.

I changed my mind

Gonna read the w300 site now



5 x WCC - S5, S6, S7, S8, S10 | 4 x WDC - S5 Nick van der Voort ; S6, S7, S8 Ed Greenhalgh | 2 x WTC - S6 Stuart Ingers; S8 Andrei Sevastian

read the edit, it's posted.

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GPGSL career;
Current team: Team ShadowSubaru, Previous teams: MPR, Minardi
starts:100 Wins: 12, Podiums: 34, Fastest Laps: 14, poles: 12 Points: 708
winner of Belgian GP (s1), Australian GP (s1), Canadian GP (S1), Brazilian GP(s4, s5), Hungarian GP(s3), Italian GP(s3), French GP (s5,s7), Monaco GP (s4) and USA GP

This is what Mal and Nickv posted when talking about w300 formula.
The bellow or not starter base was not an issue as far as my point is concerned. My point was that GPGSL season 2 perf file formula was not made in advance.


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Re: GrandPrixGames SuperLeague - AI based series - Hockenheim Race Results Online.
Date: November 26, 2008 01:30PM
Posted by: mortal (IP Logged)

I'll let you in on a trade secret, when the formula we had for the WGP/W300 end of season was applied, it was a disaster, because some teams and drivers finished with a perf that was actually lower than the starter perf. I was forced to fudge the figures as best as I could for the next season. There was no other way around it. I cannot remember what it was exactly, only that it didn't work properly. That is why I'm suggesting everyone start fresh, unless someone comes up with a formula that actually works for reducing the perfs fairly. The original series, which was proposed mid 2006 did not have a formula for the end of the season, and it's points scoring perf formula, had to be tweaked to prevent the BHP going through the roof. The perf formula the GPGSL uses, is a derivative of the WGP formula, which I modified from the original design by Flash Formula back in 06.
It's tricky, supposing you have a driver that has won six races and say 20 points for the remaining four races, that's 110 points/3 = 36 + 16020 = 16056
which is a big advantage on the rookie. Not all drivers would have that but it could happen theoretically and you have to allow for the possibility down the track, if you'll pardon the pun. It was a contentious issue back then trying to get agreement on what to do.


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Re: GrandPrixGames SuperLeague - AI based series - Hockenheim Race Results Online.
Date: November 26, 2008 01:34PM
Posted by: Nickv (IP Logged)

We did decide that people who ended up lower than the starters perf would get the starters perf. What we could do is adding points onto the basic perf for the championship end position. If you are the champion you get 16020+22=16044. Number two would get 16020+21=16044 etc. If you do that every season, you wouldn't get a great difference with the starters perf either, but you would get some reward for your performances of the previous season.

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GPGSL career;
Current team: Team ShadowSubaru, Previous teams: MPR, Minardi
starts:100 Wins: 12, Podiums: 34, Fastest Laps: 14, poles: 12 Points: 708
winner of Belgian GP (s1), Australian GP (s1), Canadian GP (S1), Brazilian GP(s4, s5), Hungarian GP(s3), Italian GP(s3), French GP (s5,s7), Monaco GP (s4) and USA GP



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/03/2009 09:37PM by BAR#10.

On third thoughts your system is a whole lot easier to work out

But I dont see how any one could end up with a perf lower than the base with the W300 formula. W300 winners got twice as many points, they had twice as many point scoring races than the GPGSL, so that formula would have to be adjusted if it was ever used.



5 x WCC - S5, S6, S7, S8, S10 | 4 x WDC - S5 Nick van der Voort ; S6, S7, S8 Ed Greenhalgh | 2 x WTC - S6 Stuart Ingers; S8 Andrei Sevastian

dunno, apparently perf drivers points were divided by 5 and bhp by 22.


/read the post above yours incase you missed it.

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GPGSL career;
Current team: Team ShadowSubaru, Previous teams: MPR, Minardi
starts:100 Wins: 12, Podiums: 34, Fastest Laps: 14, poles: 12 Points: 708
winner of Belgian GP (s1), Australian GP (s1), Canadian GP (S1), Brazilian GP(s4, s5), Hungarian GP(s3), Italian GP(s3), French GP (s5,s7), Monaco GP (s4) and USA GP

I hugely resent that post about the W300 end of season perfs being fudged

I spent bloody HOURS coming up with a fair way of converting the end of season perfs to start perfs again and there was absobloodylutely not fudging taking place at all! I may only be a shadow of my former W300 self but I am going to defend that brilliant series nevertheless

EDIT: Scratch thast explanation

don't mess








Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/03/2009 09:51PM by brunoboi.

@ Marko. Yeh i've read it matey

@ Tom. Was the formula adjusted each season to how many points the champion scored?



5 x WCC - S5, S6, S7, S8, S10 | 4 x WDC - S5 Nick van der Voort ; S6, S7, S8 Ed Greenhalgh | 2 x WTC - S6 Stuart Ingers; S8 Andrei Sevastian

Stoopid Wrote:
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> @ Marko. Yeh i've read it matey
>
> @ Tom. Was the formula adjusted each season to how
> many points the champion scored?


Yes, obviously with the high scoring in the W300 we had to increase the amount the drivers' year end points were divided by to avoid the lead drivers getting too far ahead. We decided that the winning driver from the championship should get 90 points on top of the standard performance as an advantage. This defined how much we divided all the drivers points by e.g if the winning driver scored 360 we would divide all drivers points by four and add them to the standard performance figure.

Stoopid Wrote:
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> Gonna read the w300 site now

Ooh, Cheers mate

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Wow, 5 days off the net and 10 pages to read. Gutted about Adelaide.

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Allright guys, I'm did a perf file after Suzuka, and then using adjusted w300 formula to see what we'd get for starter season 2.

w300 divided perf file points by 4 and BHP by 19 at one point, so since they had twice the championship points I divided our drivers gained perf points by 2 and team's gained BHP points by 8 (since two races did not count)

STARTERS SEASON 2 PERF FILE USING ADJUSTED W300 FORMULA
Teams and drivers in the old order, but with new points. Driver releases and signings not implemented. If someone had 10,5 I rounded down to 10.


** GP3edit - Performance File **

[Team #00]
Name=Alpha,Ford
Performance=781,801,800
First Driver=0,Bobby Neil,16030,600,16060,600
Second Driver=2,Randy Winston,16030,600,16060,600

[Team #01]
Name=Italian, English Racing
Performance=780,800,800
First Driver=3,Rick Groeneboer,16025,600,16055,600
Second Driver=4,Ricardo van Smirren,16028,600,16058,600

[Team #02]
Name=Double F, Honda
Performance=782,802,800
First Driver=5,Jethro Walters,16027,600,16057,600
Second Driver=6,Monil Santilal,16049,600,16079,600

[Team #03]
Name=Phoenix, Racing
Performance=783,803,800
First Driver=7,Janis Eglitis,16052,600,16082,600
Second Driver=8,Mal Stoddart,16041,600,16071,600

[Team #04]
Name=Minardi,
Performance=785,805,800
First Driver=9,Marko Aleksander,16060,600,16090,600
Second Driver=10,Philip Oakley,16058,600,16088,600

[Team #05]
Name=KBR, Abarth
Performance=781,801,800
First Driver=11,Kyran Brazier,16029,600,16059,600
Second Driver=12,Keeley Grant,16044,600,16074,600

[Team #06]
Name=Shadow, Subaru
Performance=782,802,800
First Driver=14,John Warrington,16035,600,16065,600
Second Driver=15,Ed Greenhalgh,16036,600,16066,600

[Team #07]
Name=PTR, Honda
Performance=780,800,800
First Driver=16,Dan Paddock,16024,600,16054,600
Second Driver=17,Ross Cartwright,16024,600,16054,600

[Team #08]
Name=Velox, Honda
Performance=781,801,800
First Driver=18,Nick van der Voort,16030,600,16060,600
Second Driver=19,Matt Houston,16039,600,16059,600

[Team #09]
Name=BMW, RaltWest
Performance=780,800,800
First Driver=20,Bruno Castelló,16027,600,16057,600
Second Driver=21,Andrew Fuh,16025,600,16055,600

[Team #10]
Name=DER, Ferrari
Performance=781,801,800
First Driver=22,Francisco Fapitalle,16036,600,16056,600
Second Driver=23,Kevin Schroeder,16035,600,16065,600

[File]
Version=215

[Tyres]
Team #00=1
Team #01=1
Team #02=1
Team #03=1
Team #04=1
Team #05=1
Team #06=1
Team #07=1
Team #08=1
Team #09=1
Team #10=1

[Gears]
Team #00=7
Team #01=7
Team #02=7
Team #03=7
Team #04=7
Team #05=7
Team #06=7
Team #07=7
Team #08=7
Team #09=7
Team #10=7

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GPGSL career;
Current team: Team ShadowSubaru, Previous teams: MPR, Minardi
starts:100 Wins: 12, Podiums: 34, Fastest Laps: 14, poles: 12 Points: 708
winner of Belgian GP (s1), Australian GP (s1), Canadian GP (S1), Brazilian GP(s4, s5), Hungarian GP(s3), Italian GP(s3), French GP (s5,s7), Monaco GP (s4) and USA GP



Edited 5 time(s). Last edit at 01/04/2009 01:09PM by BAR#10.