F1 European Grand Prix: Valencia 2008
Posted by mcdo
Valencia is a circuit that takes much fuel per lap (as we saw in gp2) he bases his comments on the data from the teams how many kg's more will cost you a lap.
if massa and sutil had collided and massa got away scott-free.... would he have had a stop-go penalty then?
consider that!
Jenson drives it like he owns it; Lewis drives it like he stole it
consider that!
IWE schreef:
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> I cannot understand some people STILL crying
> because massa didnt get penalty.. Kimi didnt get
> in exhaust case, so it is just fair that Massa
> didnt get now. @#$%& the rules! FIA doesnt care
> @#$%& about their own rules. Sometimes FIA wouldnt
> even notise if for example Kimi and 5 others would
> be overspeeding on pit side by side to wrong
> direction..
>
> According to rules wrong person did win the
> championship on last season.. So @#$%& what?
> Nobody exept me even remember this fact anymore..
> Actually according to some other rules McLaren
> should be atm out of F1 and some leaders of the
> team in prison! So @#$%& what? :P
theres a rule for kimi not winning the championship? ooh now its all clear for me :P
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> I cannot understand some people STILL crying
> because massa didnt get penalty.. Kimi didnt get
> in exhaust case, so it is just fair that Massa
> didnt get now. @#$%& the rules! FIA doesnt care
> @#$%& about their own rules. Sometimes FIA wouldnt
> even notise if for example Kimi and 5 others would
> be overspeeding on pit side by side to wrong
> direction..
>
> According to rules wrong person did win the
> championship on last season.. So @#$%& what?
> Nobody exept me even remember this fact anymore..
> Actually according to some other rules McLaren
> should be atm out of F1 and some leaders of the
> team in prison! So @#$%& what? :P
theres a rule for kimi not winning the championship? ooh now its all clear for me :P
oh that, but that was not kimi eh :P but i remember schumacher having the same fuel sample problem back ages, and he didnt get disqualified, you wont hear yourself about him, becouse your a fan of him :P
anyway, massa shouldnt be punished at all imo, you see those things every race, and now they wanna punish him for that with a fine? ffs, like earlier mentioned kimi vs montoya brazil 2004:
I think those are the things we wanna see isnt it? fighting down the pitlane.
anyway, massa shouldnt be punished at all imo, you see those things every race, and now they wanna punish him for that with a fine? ffs, like earlier mentioned kimi vs montoya brazil 2004:
I think those are the things we wanna see isnt it? fighting down the pitlane.
They are both in the fast lane 
massa could not get in the fast lane just like kimi in Canada.
As I said before a few years back RS got a 60 sec penalty for doing what ferrari and massa done.
At the end of the day no harm was done but as I said before they have now made it clear you can can pull out so will be interesting to see what happens when the pit lane is busy.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/27/2008 10:12AM by marcl.
massa could not get in the fast lane just like kimi in Canada.As I said before a few years back RS got a 60 sec penalty for doing what ferrari and massa done.
At the end of the day no harm was done but as I said before they have now made it clear you can can pull out so will be interesting to see what happens when the pit lane is busy.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/27/2008 10:12AM by marcl.
J i m schreef:
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> Whilst I wouldn't deny that seeing two cars
> toughing it out side by side down the pitlane is
> exciting I would remind you that whatever it might
> say in the regulations the pitlane is i]not the
> race track.
>
> In the Pit-lane you have people standing, walking,
> and crossing to the pit-wall and whilst those
> people know about the risk and are obviously on
> the lookout for cars, that does not take into
> account a collision between two cars sending one
> of them into a rival pit-box that might have
> mechanics on it, or sending debris around onto the
> pit-wall etc.
>
> All this is a safety risk and it's random. You
> could be taking every responsible precaution
> possible and still be caught out.
>
> Please do not respond with your You know it COULD
> happen, so don't complain when it does stupidity
> either because that simply does not wash.
>
> Finally we all lose to see side by side action,
> but it should be happening on the track and not in
> the pitlane.
well, you know it COULD happen
i disagree, they are going with like 80km an hour in the pit? an f1 car can brake in 1 second so its standing still, they will never get into a pitbox with those low speeds frankly.
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> Whilst I wouldn't deny that seeing two cars
> toughing it out side by side down the pitlane is
> exciting I would remind you that whatever it might
> say in the regulations the pitlane is i]not the
> race track.
>
> In the Pit-lane you have people standing, walking,
> and crossing to the pit-wall and whilst those
> people know about the risk and are obviously on
> the lookout for cars, that does not take into
> account a collision between two cars sending one
> of them into a rival pit-box that might have
> mechanics on it, or sending debris around onto the
> pit-wall etc.
>
> All this is a safety risk and it's random. You
> could be taking every responsible precaution
> possible and still be caught out.
>
> Please do not respond with your You know it COULD
> happen, so don't complain when it does stupidity
> either because that simply does not wash.
>
> Finally we all lose to see side by side action,
> but it should be happening on the track and not in
> the pitlane.
well, you know it COULD happen
i disagree, they are going with like 80km an hour in the pit? an f1 car can brake in 1 second so its standing still, they will never get into a pitbox with those low speeds frankly.
F1 brakes are not great at low speeds and after a pit stop, they are to cold remember lewis and nico in canada, and in a dusty pit lane the cars just skid.
About Webber, he lost over 10 seconds in the race due to over shooting his pit. So when they go through everything I hope they point that out to him
This is why massa was not given a penalty. Donnelly replied: "We watched the incident from every angle. I'm perfectly happy with the decision. Remember that Massa did not gain any sporting advantage."
So the danger aspect was never a question then, it was all about an advantage against a car a lap behind lol.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/27/2008 10:44AM by marcl.
About Webber, he lost over 10 seconds in the race due to over shooting his pit. So when they go through everything I hope they point that out to him
This is why massa was not given a penalty. Donnelly replied: "We watched the incident from every angle. I'm perfectly happy with the decision. Remember that Massa did not gain any sporting advantage."
So the danger aspect was never a question then, it was all about an advantage against a car a lap behind lol.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/27/2008 10:44AM by marcl.
hamilton just didnt brake
Iceman-Kimi Wrote:
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> i disagree, they are going with like 80km an hour
> in the pit? an f1 car can brake in 1 second so its
> standing still, they will never get into a pitbox
> with those low speeds frankly.
"Frankly" you have little idea of what you are talking about. You seem to forget that car a is still travelling whilst braking. In most pitlanes the car will be travelling at 80km/h approaching it's pit-box (60km/h in tighter pitlanes), traveling at that speed the car covers over 20 metres in that one second, so it's reasonable to assume that in a half a second it's travelled 10 metres.
It only takes a fraction of second misjudgement to get it wrong. Click your fingers, go on... how long did it take?
That's the difference between a "safe" stop and a crash. As proved by Hamilton and Rosberg at Canada, as proved by Webber at Valencia and in Webber's case the collision was with a person.
Oh but of course it's all okay because that person knew it could happen Infact I'd go as far to say it was clearly all his fault :P [/irony]
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> i disagree, they are going with like 80km an hour
> in the pit? an f1 car can brake in 1 second so its
> standing still, they will never get into a pitbox
> with those low speeds frankly.
"Frankly" you have little idea of what you are talking about. You seem to forget that car a is still travelling whilst braking. In most pitlanes the car will be travelling at 80km/h approaching it's pit-box (60km/h in tighter pitlanes), traveling at that speed the car covers over 20 metres in that one second, so it's reasonable to assume that in a half a second it's travelled 10 metres.
It only takes a fraction of second misjudgement to get it wrong. Click your fingers, go on... how long did it take?
That's the difference between a "safe" stop and a crash. As proved by Hamilton and Rosberg at Canada, as proved by Webber at Valencia and in Webber's case the collision was with a person.
Oh but of course it's all okay because that person knew it could happen
Infact I'd go as far to say it was clearly all his fault :P [/irony]yeh ok, i might said it wrong, but what needs to happen before an f1 car enters a pitbox or something? Alot, they need to fly over each others wheels or something before they chance direction though.
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