Hungarian GP Thread **SPOILERS**
Posted by turkey_machine
Wow guys, I'm impressed that it's got to nearly 40 pages!
Congratulations Jenson. You deserved it this time round, especially as other people can't keep it on the black stuff. And I'm not talking about the run-off either!
Unlucky Kubica, you deserved the points, but learn from the mistake next time!
As for Schumacher's tactics, he should have come into the pits and put slicks on when Button did, instead of making the intermediates go bald. I'd question whether the FIA should allow the current result to stand, as Schumacher's tyres are definitely outside the tread depth test limits (i.e no tread whatsoever!) and the moves used to keep De La Rosa and Heidfeld behind him were just plain dirty, and almost reminiscant of Adelaide 94 or Jerez 97.
And to top it all, unlucky Mark Webber has been confirmed as second driver in the Red Bull team!
Everyone knows that million-to-one chances happen 9 times out of 10; indeed, it's a common requirement in fairy tales. If the human didn't have to overcome huge odds, what would be the point? Terry Pratchett - The Science Of Discworld
GPGSL S5 Race driver for IED.
Congratulations Jenson. You deserved it this time round, especially as other people can't keep it on the black stuff. And I'm not talking about the run-off either!
Unlucky Kubica, you deserved the points, but learn from the mistake next time!
As for Schumacher's tactics, he should have come into the pits and put slicks on when Button did, instead of making the intermediates go bald. I'd question whether the FIA should allow the current result to stand, as Schumacher's tyres are definitely outside the tread depth test limits (i.e no tread whatsoever!) and the moves used to keep De La Rosa and Heidfeld behind him were just plain dirty, and almost reminiscant of Adelaide 94 or Jerez 97.
And to top it all, unlucky Mark Webber has been confirmed as second driver in the Red Bull team!
Everyone knows that million-to-one chances happen 9 times out of 10; indeed, it's a common requirement in fairy tales. If the human didn't have to overcome huge odds, what would be the point? Terry Pratchett - The Science Of Discworld
GPGSL S5 Race driver for IED.
No i haven't been watching racing very long just about 10 years which means i've probably watched it longer than the amount of time you've spent on this earth going by your childish comments on many threads.
Anyway i've made my points now and if you have a problem with them go talk to someone who gives a sh1t.
At least keiran has some racing experiance(i assume going by his sig) So i have some respect for his comments as for yours you just seem to try and wind people up.
Anyway i've made my points now and if you have a problem with them go talk to someone who gives a sh1t.
At least keiran has some racing experiance(i assume going by his sig) So i have some respect for his comments as for yours you just seem to try and wind people up.
@Nerrazurri
I'd agree with everything Dave said. Ask anyone whos done anything on a race track (and I know Dave has been on proper full size tracks with his iDT commitments).
1. He'd have made that corner fine if he hadn't been squeezed onto the kerb.
Knowen he was getting squeezed he should have backed off and tried at another spot.
He couldn't back off, as Dave said he was braking at the last possible moment to take the position. He didn't know Schumacher was going to play silly games, and if you look at one of Pedros attempts Schumacher hits Pedro in the sidepod trying to turn in to early.
2. He kept it on the island even with running onto the wet kerb and track.
Only cause he touched MS.
No MS touched him. Schumacher wouldn't have dared try that if there was no tarmac run off.
3. He had no option but to drive on the kerb.
Yes he did. Back out of it.
Any racing driver will be driving on the maximum of there ability to stop in a heavy braking zone. You don't cruise into the corners and use 40% of your braking ability. You'll lose anything between half a second to a second doing that.
4. Once Nick had the inside line he had the corner
Yep and schumacher gave him it. How much room do you want ms to give him?
Enough that he can fit his car on the track without having to use the kerb (which offically isn't part of the circuit as they are there to prevent you tearing the edges of the track up). You do realise how hard it's to see over the head rests in an F1 car? I've been in a single seater before and even that you saw more of the head rest than the stuff beside you. Schumacher squeezed him to much and thats that, once your on the outside your really stuffed and can only hope to do a cut back which would be near impossible on that corner.
5. By all means he can squeeze Nick but not to the point he runs out of track
He didn't run out of track, Look at the pic you posted he's barley on the kerb and theres still room between him and MS.
What! Have you even watched the clip? He has the whole of his right side of the car on the kerb. Schumacher didn't leave enough room. You could barely fit an A4 bit of paper lengthwise into the gap that Schumacher left.
6. it's bouncing over these parts of the kerb and understeering as there is 0 grip on them in the wet
It Hadn't rained for ages and all the drivers were using it so it must have been dry then.
Believe me kerbs stay slippy for a very long time. Sometimes if it has been raining the night before a race you still wont use them too heavily in the mornings. The biggest problem for Nick was he was bouncing over the top of it. As I said have you even seen a kerb before ? They are like driving over very sharp pot holes but are upwards rather than downwards so force the car to bounce. Thus to try put drivers off from using that part of the track.
7. People have accepted it was Schumacher's fault it's just you that keeps voicing his innocence
Actually i don't balme any of them. If you check my post a couple of pages ago i said it was a racing incident. People blame him i was defending him. Its all a matter of opinion.
It's a racing incident but it's Schumachers fault. He'd be deemed responsible in any form of motorsport, well maybe not banger racing.
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Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 08/07/2006 06:59PM by keiran.
I'd agree with everything Dave said. Ask anyone whos done anything on a race track (and I know Dave has been on proper full size tracks with his iDT commitments).
1. He'd have made that corner fine if he hadn't been squeezed onto the kerb.
Knowen he was getting squeezed he should have backed off and tried at another spot.
He couldn't back off, as Dave said he was braking at the last possible moment to take the position. He didn't know Schumacher was going to play silly games, and if you look at one of Pedros attempts Schumacher hits Pedro in the sidepod trying to turn in to early.
2. He kept it on the island even with running onto the wet kerb and track.
Only cause he touched MS.
No MS touched him. Schumacher wouldn't have dared try that if there was no tarmac run off.
3. He had no option but to drive on the kerb.
Yes he did. Back out of it.
Any racing driver will be driving on the maximum of there ability to stop in a heavy braking zone. You don't cruise into the corners and use 40% of your braking ability. You'll lose anything between half a second to a second doing that.
4. Once Nick had the inside line he had the corner
Yep and schumacher gave him it. How much room do you want ms to give him?
Enough that he can fit his car on the track without having to use the kerb (which offically isn't part of the circuit as they are there to prevent you tearing the edges of the track up). You do realise how hard it's to see over the head rests in an F1 car? I've been in a single seater before and even that you saw more of the head rest than the stuff beside you. Schumacher squeezed him to much and thats that, once your on the outside your really stuffed and can only hope to do a cut back which would be near impossible on that corner.
5. By all means he can squeeze Nick but not to the point he runs out of track
He didn't run out of track, Look at the pic you posted he's barley on the kerb and theres still room between him and MS.
What! Have you even watched the clip? He has the whole of his right side of the car on the kerb. Schumacher didn't leave enough room. You could barely fit an A4 bit of paper lengthwise into the gap that Schumacher left.
6. it's bouncing over these parts of the kerb and understeering as there is 0 grip on them in the wet
It Hadn't rained for ages and all the drivers were using it so it must have been dry then.
Believe me kerbs stay slippy for a very long time. Sometimes if it has been raining the night before a race you still wont use them too heavily in the mornings. The biggest problem for Nick was he was bouncing over the top of it. As I said have you even seen a kerb before ? They are like driving over very sharp pot holes but are upwards rather than downwards so force the car to bounce. Thus to try put drivers off from using that part of the track.
7. People have accepted it was Schumacher's fault it's just you that keeps voicing his innocence
Actually i don't balme any of them. If you check my post a couple of pages ago i said it was a racing incident. People blame him i was defending him. Its all a matter of opinion.
It's a racing incident but it's Schumachers fault. He'd be deemed responsible in any form of motorsport, well maybe not banger racing.
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Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 08/07/2006 06:59PM by keiran.
Fair enough i've lost this argument. But i will be back defending ferarri team soon im sure.
well going to put nick on my ignore list 
bigbrother, you really are weird, with your unargumented posts. Pathetic...
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> childish is when you don't have respect for my opinion and posts that
> you can to send me private message and telling me what i should do.
> Who do you think you are ????
You have no opinion in my book. So far you've failed to put any arguments forward to justify the reasons for Kimi being over-rated. You've ignored every FACT (as you like to put it) put forward to you and continue to do so.
Me thinks he is scared that Kimi is going to be sitting in Schumacher's cockpit next year
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/07/2006 08:57PM by keiran.
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> childish is when you don't have respect for my opinion and posts that
> you can to send me private message and telling me what i should do.
> Who do you think you are ????
You have no opinion in my book. So far you've failed to put any arguments forward to justify the reasons for Kimi being over-rated. You've ignored every FACT (as you like to put it) put forward to you and continue to do so.
Me thinks he is scared that Kimi is going to be sitting in Schumacher's cockpit next year
vMax.Keiran
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/07/2006 08:57PM by keiran.
i have discussed the issue over msn with nickv and has given my arguments but he doesn't listen to it so dicussion with him is over.
i would love to see kimi and michael in the same team so michael could show why he is the best so lets hope kimi goes to ferrari and michael stays in f1.
well you can find what you want pathetic or not, i just don't care, i have my opinion and i'll give it when i want and where i want and for the rest ...
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 08/07/2006 09:03PM by Bigbrother.
i would love to see kimi and michael in the same team so michael could show why he is the best
so lets hope kimi goes to ferrari and michael stays in f1.well you can find what you want pathetic or not, i just don't care, i have my opinion and i'll give it when i want and where i want and for the rest ...
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 08/07/2006 09:03PM by Bigbrother.
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> i would love to see kimi and michael in the same team so michael could
> show why he is the best so lets hope kimi goes to ferrari and michael
> stays in f1.
Wouldn't it be a sight then if Kimi turns out to be the quicker one?
(same for Alonso, if Kimi stays at Mclaren and Alonso comes, Alonso can prove he really is the faster person (or not))
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> i would love to see kimi and michael in the same team so michael could
> show why he is the best so lets hope kimi goes to ferrari and michael
> stays in f1.
Wouldn't it be a sight then if Kimi turns out to be the quicker one?
(same for Alonso, if Kimi stays at Mclaren and Alonso comes, Alonso can prove he really is the faster person (or not))
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