Hungarian GP Thread **SPOILERS**

keiran Wrote:
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> Nerrazurri Wrote:
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> > Yes kerbs can be slippery whan wet so why try and drive over
> them
> > then. relise you have the faster car and know you can get him
> next
> > time. Look at the two cars that drive over the kerb straight
> after
> > them they didn't seem to oversteer to much. It was v.poor driving
> from
> > heidfeld. At the end of the day it was a racing accident
> anti-schumi
> > fans just deal with it and get over it. Stop trying to blame MS
> for
> > trying to get the best result out of a bad situation.
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> It's not kerbs "can" by slippery when wet, they are slippy.
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> He had no option but to drive on the kerb. Nick had no reason to back
> out of that, he was well down the inside of Schumacher and in the end
> Schumacher was going to play the same games lap after lap. Once Nick
> had the inside line he had the corner, Schumacher had lost the line
> and shouldn't have squeezed him as much as he did. By all means he can
> squeeze Nick but not to the point he runs out of track.
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> At this point Schumacher has started to strighten the car up after
> constantly turning in on Nick forcing him over the kerb. Out of
> interest do you even know what shape kerbs are? They are triangular
> humps all the way around to unsettle the cars and put them off from
> using them. This is what happened to Nicks car, it's bouncing over
> these parts of the kerb and understeering as there is 0 grip on them
> in the wet. Then he ends up off the single file dry line and on the
> wet part of the track. He'd have made that corner fine if he hadn't
> been squeezed onto the kerb. It's not even like he went that hot into
> the corner. He kept it on the island even with running onto the wet
> kerb and track.
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> The cars that are going over the kerb afterwards are not having to try
> slow the car down on it, they have got there cars turned in and are
> just cutting it. Nick was forced to run on the kerb a lot earlier than
> you would ever run on the kerb.
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> No pro-Schumacher fans accept it was very poor driving on Schumacher's part.

i do. and to "poor driving", you can add stupid decision making.

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RIP Jules, never to be forgotten. #KeepFightingMichael

maybe they should put the gravel back there like it was in 1990 then pedro and nick would not have had that prob

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Then it was me who was sleeping bad tonight...
What is so fascinating in your sig ???
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Yes you missed it. For IE users my sig became a little long. That's why I had to put in my back-up plan

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Sums it up nice.

btw - i was playing F106, i like it :P and on the saturday I did a race... came 8th... but it was Rubens who won by 40 seconds :P

edit again - checked out button fourms, and any comment i post there will feel rather generic lol!

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"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 08/07/2006 04:23PM by chet.

I Like the bond music on the background of that movie

Yes kerbs can be slippery whan wet so why try and drive over them then. relise you have the faster car and know you can get him next time. Look at the two cars that drive over the kerb straight after them they didn't seem to oversteer to much. It was v.poor driving from heidfeld. At the end of the day it was a racing accident anti-schumi fans just deal with it and get over it. Stop trying to blame MS for trying to get the best result out of a bad situation.

Rubbish.



Schumacher turns into the corner FAR too early, forcing Nick to the inside.



He puts Nick on the kerb, which causes his car to hop, and understeer. Schumacher makes contact with his rear wheel.

Can you name another time Schumacher turned into the corner FAR too early in order to squeeze out a passing driver, and the attempt failed? No? Jerez 1997

When the chips are down, the true colours rise to the top, and Schumachers still havent changed since back then. He proved that with the move on Nick. Not to mention the blatent cheating agaisnt Pedro.

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its unbelieveble that you can't defend your position anymore like michael did. You almost have to be scared to be not investigated those times when something happens when you are in a battle for position. We wanna see racing, battles and like michael defended his place thats racing. Formule 1 is becoming for pussy's, you can only pass when its clean and you have alot of space over, get real. Its due his fighting for every point/position that he won 7 titles already. Was it someone else in that car, it wouldn't be discussed at all.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 08/07/2006 05:31PM by Bigbrother.

Driving another car off the road onto a kerb is not defending your position.

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I dont think MS would have been the only one to defend like that.

In fact I reckon Alonso would have to further limits, and JV :P.

But meh, move on Pedro was poor !

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"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL

Theres no evidence to suggest JV would put another driver on the grass. Alonso is dirty, but 2 wrongs dont make a right.

Fact is, this is exactly the same as Jerez 97. Put a car on the grass in an attempt to defend your position. Thats not defending your position, thats cheating.

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@ keiran.
in answer to your points.

1. He'd have made that corner fine if he hadn't been squeezed onto the kerb.
Knowen he was getting squeezed he should have backed off and tried at another spot.

2. He kept it on the island even with running onto the wet kerb and track.
Only cause he touched MS.

3. He had no option but to drive on the kerb.
Yes he did. Back out of it.

4. Once Nick had the inside line he had the corner
Yep and schumacher gave him it. How much room do you want ms to give him?

5. By all means he can squeeze Nick but not to the point he runs out of track
He didn't run out of track, Look at the pic you posted he's barley on the kerb and theres still room between him and MS.

6. it's bouncing over these parts of the kerb and understeering as there is 0 grip on them in the wet
It Hadn't rained for ages and all the drivers were using it so it must have been dry then.

7. People have accepted it was Schumacher's fault it's just you that keeps voicing his innocence
Actually i don't balme any of them. If you check my post a couple of pages ago i said it was a racing incident. People blame him i was defending him. Its all a matter of opinion.

8. I don't care what the situation was on his tyres, that was brought on by themselves
Agreed. They were trying to be to greedy when they should have settled for 4th or 5th

Forgot to say well done jenson, a fully deserved win kept his nose clean and drove his own race.

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/07/2006 06:18PM by Nerrazurri.

"3. He had no option but to drive on the kerb.
Yes he did. Back out of it."

Nick was fully enough along side to make MS move. The posistion was Nicks, MS as a 7time champ should have known this.

Dave, yeah i guess yr right :P

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"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL

Knowen he was getting squeezed he should have backed off and tried at another spot.

Right, so what your saying is, Nick shouldnt pas because he knows Schumachers going to play dirty? Pull the other one.

Only cause he touched MS.

Have you even seen the accident? The small touch on MS had no effect on the direction Heidfeld was travling, and even if it did, basic physics would have caused the car to move wide further, not push him round the corner.

Yes he did. Back out of it.

Hes already into the braking zone. Hes on full braking power. How do you propose he backs out of it? Magicly makes the car brake more than 100%? Activate the parachute?

Yep and schumacher gave him it. How much room do you want ms to give him?

Watch the accident. Schumacher didnt give him room at all. He put him on the kerb.

It Hadn't rained for ages and all the drivers were using it so it must have been dry then.

How long have you been watching F1? Not very i think is the answer. Kerbs dont dry as quick a tarmac because the paint doesnt allow the water to seep through like tarmac does. They also dont get constant running on like tarmac. Being white, they reflect heat, rather than absorb, further lengthening the drying process

But the wet kerb has little to do with it. The reaosn Heidfelds car understeered on is because Schumacher forced him onto the kerb and Heidfelds kerb bumped up. You cant steer in mid air.

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With Schumacher cutting the corner on pedro, if you remember he slowed down, before speeding up again and cutting pedro up, it looked like he was going to let him passed. Anyone else get the feeling Schumacher was going to let him pass then Todt/brawn told him not to?

Schumacher did make mistakes, he should've let Heidfeld and Pedro by, fighting for position is fine, but he was in a lot of trouble with those two. He still drove well when the tyres came to him and was keeping the car on the road when they were against him, he just seemed to not be his usual calm self this weekend, hopefully he will be back to normal next weekend.

Well done to Jenson btw

@ Advong, yeah Marcl mentioned the block MS made on Pedro, and you could be right, maybe he was told on the radio not to let Pedro pass, but we won't know for sure.

and he also spun in turn 2 after the safety car, looked like he took too much kerb on the inside, although we haven't seen a long enough clip of it to see exactly what made him spin, we only saw him already spinning.

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RIP Jules, never to be forgotten. #KeepFightingMichael

Face it Nerrazurri, the only ones with the same opinion as you about this incident are the Schumi fanboys who seem to think he can do no wrong.
I thought that Alonso was cracking under the pressure and Schumi was staying cool but it looks like Schumacher is back to his old bad ways again, what a shame because he did drive very well when he wasn't trying to squeeze others off the road.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/07/2006 06:05PM by mikef1.

Bigbrother schreef:
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> its unbelieveble that you can't defend your position anymore like
> michael did.

You can. The problem is that Schumacher fans say it's Heidfelds fault that MS broke his suspension.

>You almost have to be scared to be not investigated those
> times when something happens when you are in a battle for position.

That's pure nonsense.

> We wanna see racing, battles and like michael defended his place thats
> racing. Formule 1 is becoming for pussy's, you can only pass when its
> clean and you have alot of space over, get real. Its due his fighting
> for every point/position that he won 7 titles already.

How many times will you mention those titles again?

>Was it someone else in that car, it wouldn't be discussed at all.

Of course it would. Sad that this is the way MS fans think.

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