So the 2009 line up: Bourdais is officially confirmed by STR

J i m Wrote:
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> Think people are missing the point about
> Hulkenberg.
>
> Sure he isn't quick in testing, but he isn't
> employed to be quick in testing, he's there to put
> miles on the car. Granted he's thrown it in the
> kitty litter a few too many times.
>
> However, I think people should look past his F1
> test pace when they appraise his potential.
>
> Look at his career to date.. very good in A1GP,
> won it, Euro F3 champion, has made impressive
> start in GP2 with ART, pole at his first attempt.
> The talent is there.
>
> And Besides, Nico Rosberg wasn't particularly
> quick as a tester either, but he got up to speed
> quickly once he was signed as a race driver, and
> he also had a successful junior career. FBMW
> champion, competitive in Euro F3 and GP2 champion.


Yet he cant overtake the best brazilian driver ever without crashing him in a tight track? hes a n00b

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One mistake doesn't make him a crap driver I reckon.

He's also won more titles than your "best Brazilian driver ever".

Consider yourself pwned.

Edit:// Come to think of it..even Piquet won more titles than Senna.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/08/2009 03:33PM by J i m.

J i m Wrote:
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> He's also won more titles than your "best
> Brazilian driver ever".
>
> Consider yourself pwned.
>
> Edit:// Come to think of it..even Piquet won more
> titles than Senna.

Only because his family did not allowed him to race for ten years. he'd have won everything had them allowed him to.

[sarcasm] I can imagine that by judging his stupid move on Senna @ Macau, that hulkenberg won the titles driving the schumacher cheating school: crashing into your rivals in a title showndown, at the final race... [/sarcasm]

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This needs to be used again:

DaveEllis Wrote:
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Indeed... also I think someone has forgotten his warning already.

J i m Wrote:
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> Indeed... also I think someone has forgotten his
> warning already.

What it has to do with Hulkenberg? IF you are going to do it because I think that Schumacher does cheats (oi, Adelaide 94? Oi, Jerez 1997? Oi, MONACO 2006?) and that Hulkenberg doesnt know how to overtake, then you all deserve a warning for saying things like that about Piquet then. Rules are supposed to be the same for everyone.

And I have every right to be pissed off with him because of his dangerous move @ Macau, it could have injured Senna badly.

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Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 02/08/2009 10:41PM by Bruninho.

What about Senna punting Prost into the scenery at Suzuka? That was worse than a misjudgement - it was premeditated, and at speed. Or is that OK because Prost turned in on him the previous year?

You can surely be pissed off if your driver gets rammed off like that (I have never seen the actual incident, so I'll just assume your story is true), but one reason/incident can't lead to a judgement of crap. Then every driver should be rated as crap. You need to see the whole picture. What you do is picking out a few incidents and then spread them out over the entire carreer of the driver (MS, Barrichello, Massa to name a few), that's not the right way to see if a driver is good. The whole picture should be viewed.

gav Wrote:
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> What about Senna punting Prost into the scenery at
> Suzuka? That was worse than a misjudgement - it
> was premeditated, and at speed. Or is that OK
> because Prost turned in on him the previous year?


Well... I wont be a hypocrite and tell you it wasnt, OFC its ok, thats called revenge, and I dont care about Prost, and it was Prosts fault that he didnt wanted to back off. It was a battle for the title!

But what Hulkenberg did was worth nothing. 7th place?

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It's F3. Mistakes happen. Get over it.

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Bruninho Wrote:
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>
> Hulkenberg is a prick. Senna was 7th with 2 laps
> to go when that prick tried to outbrake him, in an
> attempt to overtake through the Mandarin corner,
> and caused a huge acident that made Sennas car fly
> over him (after banging wheels) and thus sending
> him into a guard-rail for a huge direct frontal
> shunt. And from that directly to the hospital.
>
> Luckily Senna didnt suffered any major injuries
> however the car was heavily damaged and he couldnt
> take part in the 2nd race. Great fun to be in
> Macau for just 1 mini race because of an idiot
> named Hulkenberg that doesnt know how to overtake,
> eh? bah.
>
> If a guy doesnt know how to overtake, then don't
> try. He isnt better than Senna.

Let's not hijack another thread guys. This one's about the 2009 F1 line-up.

The Lopper Wrote:
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> Let's not hijack another thread guys. This one's
> about the 2009 F1 line-up.

Right man, and I fully agree with you. But Senna and Hulkenberg are relevant to the 2009 grid, since anyone can take part if Honda is bought, and if the new owners want it.

It wasnt what I wanted, but some people cant just stop doing it, and Im not talking about me because I never wanted to do it. People always goes against me when I backup a driver they dont like...

Others brought the discussion to that level. I just pointed out that this years GP2 grid is weak IMO, and that Senna would pwn them easily in any car, because they all are equal cars. Why I talked about Senna? Because of this iSport-Senna-Honda gossip that is going on the newspapers. Which is a thing relevant to the F1 2009 grid.

Then someone brings Hulkenbergs name from his hat without any reason. To which I replied that he poses a danger to everyone on track, referring to his Macau homicide attempt.

I'll help you and bring it back on topic. I said some posts ago that I dont think that Bourdais deserves another chance. C'mon, what he showed in 2008 to be given a 2nd chance? He was beaten by a 19 yr old boy that won a race in the same car. If Bourdais, a 4 times CCWS champion is not better than the boy that left them for RBR, whats the point of giving him another chance then?

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Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 02/09/2009 12:45AM by Bruninho.

<shallow>having his wife in the paddock/on TV</shallow>

but seriously, who exactly were the other realistic choices?

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Sato? Senna? Button?

Sato was discarded because he didnt had the money STR wanted from him, Same goes for Senna but he had US$ 14 million from what I heard, more than Bourdais and Sato.

Button was much better than Bourdais, with all the respect, but Button would be able to do much more for STR than Bourdais. And it would be good for him to breath fresh new air that isnt "Honda".

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/09/2009 01:05AM by Bruninho.

Isn't there a contract issue with Button? Or have Honda released him?

I haven't really followed the news closely so any information is welcome.

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/09/2009 01:18AM by tripleM.

tripleM Wrote:
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> Isn't there a contract issue in case of Button? Or
> have Honda released him?


The problem is: Button is loyal to Honda, and Honda can release him, but he keeps saying he'll be loyal to the Honda team, no matter whoever buys it.

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Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 02/09/2009 01:24AM by Bruninho.

Then he isn't/wasn't interested in driving for STR, ergo not a realistic option for them.

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Well, It could be realistic, but I dont know at which point. You know how newspapers are.

Buemi is quoted saying that he was willing to team up with Button.

And this was some weeks ago:

[en.f1-live.com]

EDIT: and Here Button says he wants to race no matter the team it is.

[en.f1-live.com]

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/09/2009 01:31AM by Bruninho.