Spanish Grand Prix April 27th
Posted by mcdo
My turn. It's been 3 weeks and I'm hanging out for a race. FP1's in 18 hrs. Note the spelling error in the pic, 'bumby on entry'. Maybe that's what high speed bumps do to an F1 posterior. Let's hope Massa doesn't 'binby' it. Hoping Kimi reigns, with BMW snapping at his heels.
Go forth and speculate people.
Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 05/11/2008 10:56AM by mortal.
I hardly ever contribute to these threads but anywayz same thing 
Goooo Kimi!!!!!!!
Goooo Kimi!!!!!!!
I will miss this one because I will be attending LeMans series at Monza this weekend.
Anyway I think Ferrari has the upper hand for the moment. And BMW is 2 best team. So I predict simmilar outcome to Barhain.
Anyway I think Ferrari has the upper hand for the moment. And BMW is 2 best team. So I predict simmilar outcome to Barhain.
I'll be working sunday afternoon so cant watch this.
Normally not worth watching anyway this race anyway.
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Normally not worth watching anyway this race anyway.
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Well I thought that I could bring something new to the race topics giving my view about the track - well, its a lap driven around there (GTR2 with new chicane) in rFactor in an ISI BMW 
I may be wrong in what I wrote in certain areas but oh well this is what I thought driving around the track and taking notes It was worth a try, I think.
Barcelona - A lap around the spanish classic track
Well... its not a bad track at all; heading to the Elf complex, cars are at around 315 kph, braking hard for it in third gear, sure its a good overtaking point but... we have the dirty air effect problem.
Then the outside tyres will be extremely overloaded around the Renault chicane as the driver will struggle to move from 4th to 5th without understeering there. Same goes for the Repsol but in a slower speed in 3rd gear. At this point of the track, suspension is already a critical point of the car-setup not to wear too fast the tyres.
Another hardbraking point from 6th to 2nd for Seat - a tight, tight, tight corner in 2nd gear - the drivers will have to be careful over the curb on exit unless they have a fairly good rebound damping set-up.
Then they'll go fast towards the corners 7 and 8, again they should rely on their suspension over the curbs to flatten the racing line there as much as possible.
But hey! The critical point of the track and where most of the time can be done: Campsa corner. This proves the point made by the drivers when they say that aero efficiency would be a key for this track. The drivers will try to go flat out as much as possible, in 5th gear, without riding with excessive aggressiveness over the curb on exit - which can upset the balance of the car before it immediately asks for 6th gear. So a car with a good aero set-up to allow the driver to use the maximum possible throttle input there while still going round at the maximum fastest possible is required here. And let's not forget that the outside tyres will be working hard here again.
Now down the following straight that leads to the La Caixa corner - that is fairly similar to Seat but slower and tighter, although not mentioned before, its a decent overtaking spot.
The cars will now move towards the Banc Sabadell corner, now the drivers will need to have a good throttle control around this corner while downshifting from 4th to 3rd.
Then we arrive at the new complex: The Europcar and New Holland complex, with the new chicane. The cars will be entering very fast in third and then they'll have to try not to lose the balance - remember, they dont have engine brake assist anymore - while braking for it and downshift to 2nd gear. Suspension set-up comes into play again as some cars will probably not be avoiding the curbs all the times, so again a lot of effort should be made to find the right rebound damping settings.
(Well, its likely that with the TC ban, a certain Ferrari may be spinning when exiting the new chicane )
Now we finish the lap speeding up through the last corner, getting up to full throttle until the s/f line. The track asphalt is very good, the drivers will be allowed to run a fairly low ride height and given the nature of the track, medium downforce and a soft to medium suspension stiffeness, along with the normal gear ratios.
Best Lap: 1m22s (I know, I suck, but the car wasnt even set-up for a competitive lap )
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/24/2008 12:06PM by Bruninho.
I may be wrong in what I wrote in certain areas but oh well this is what I thought driving around the track and taking notes It was worth a try, I think.Barcelona - A lap around the spanish classic track
Well... its not a bad track at all; heading to the Elf complex, cars are at around 315 kph, braking hard for it in third gear, sure its a good overtaking point but... we have the dirty air effect problem.
Then the outside tyres will be extremely overloaded around the Renault chicane as the driver will struggle to move from 4th to 5th without understeering there. Same goes for the Repsol but in a slower speed in 3rd gear. At this point of the track, suspension is already a critical point of the car-setup not to wear too fast the tyres.
Another hardbraking point from 6th to 2nd for Seat - a tight, tight, tight corner in 2nd gear - the drivers will have to be careful over the curb on exit unless they have a fairly good rebound damping set-up.
Then they'll go fast towards the corners 7 and 8, again they should rely on their suspension over the curbs to flatten the racing line there as much as possible.
But hey! The critical point of the track and where most of the time can be done: Campsa corner. This proves the point made by the drivers when they say that aero efficiency would be a key for this track. The drivers will try to go flat out as much as possible, in 5th gear, without riding with excessive aggressiveness over the curb on exit - which can upset the balance of the car before it immediately asks for 6th gear. So a car with a good aero set-up to allow the driver to use the maximum possible throttle input there while still going round at the maximum fastest possible is required here. And let's not forget that the outside tyres will be working hard here again.
Now down the following straight that leads to the La Caixa corner - that is fairly similar to Seat but slower and tighter, although not mentioned before, its a decent overtaking spot.
The cars will now move towards the Banc Sabadell corner, now the drivers will need to have a good throttle control around this corner while downshifting from 4th to 3rd.
Then we arrive at the new complex: The Europcar and New Holland complex, with the new chicane. The cars will be entering very fast in third and then they'll have to try not to lose the balance - remember, they dont have engine brake assist anymore - while braking for it and downshift to 2nd gear. Suspension set-up comes into play again as some cars will probably not be avoiding the curbs all the times, so again a lot of effort should be made to find the right rebound damping settings.
(Well, its likely that with the TC ban, a certain Ferrari may be spinning when exiting the new chicane
)Now we finish the lap speeding up through the last corner, getting up to full throttle until the s/f line. The track asphalt is very good, the drivers will be allowed to run a fairly low ride height and given the nature of the track, medium downforce and a soft to medium suspension stiffeness, along with the normal gear ratios.
Best Lap: 1m22s (I know, I suck, but the car wasnt even set-up for a competitive lap
)Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/24/2008 12:06PM by Bruninho.
iCeMaN pAuL schreef:
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> I think Martin Brundle could win this race.
Ah, at least some common sense here between all the "Kimi Ftw".
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Some say... he's even smaller than 20kb.
And some say... he's so offensive he could get you into trouble...
The only thing we know is that he's called...
THE SIG
Felipe Massa, World Champion 15:34:11pm- 15:34:21pm.
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> I think Martin Brundle could win this race.
Ah, at least some common sense here between all the "Kimi Ftw".
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Some say... he's even smaller than 20kb.
And some say... he's so offensive he could get you into trouble...
The only thing we know is that he's called...
THE SIG
Felipe Massa, World Champion 15:34:11pm- 15:34:21pm.
Spanish Gp as it once was:
1986 (Miliseconds in jerez)
1991 (Same actors different movie)
1996 (Dull but historicly important)
2001 (Poor mika)
1986 (Miliseconds in jerez)
1991 (Same actors different movie)
1996 (Dull but historicly important)
2001 (Poor mika)
Its a nice track, i just cant see any overtaking at all this weekend and thats disapointing. Obviously whoever is fastest in practice and then front row will win, unfortunately Ferrari for me this weekend.
DJSKYLINE Wrote:
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> I hardly ever contribute to these threads but
> anywayz same thing
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> Goooo Kimi!!!!!!!
Same with me lol, Go Kimi and Ferrari too!
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> I hardly ever contribute to these threads but
> anywayz same thing
>
> Goooo Kimi!!!!!!!
Same with me lol, Go Kimi and Ferrari too!
That 2001 race with Mika DNF in the last round was terrible, even my mother, father and brother (who barely watched F1 all) where watching and screaming when it happened.
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Some say... he's even smaller than 20kb.
And some say... he's so offensive he could get you into trouble...
The only thing we know is that he's called...
THE SIG
Felipe Massa, World Champion 15:34:11pm- 15:34:21pm.
________________________________________
Some say... he's even smaller than 20kb.
And some say... he's so offensive he could get you into trouble...
The only thing we know is that he's called...
THE SIG
Felipe Massa, World Champion 15:34:11pm- 15:34:21pm.
Anyone else hear Maroon 5 whilst watching the F1 live feed from ITV?
edit - she wiiiiiilllllllll be lovved!
"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/25/2008 04:48AM by chet.
edit - she wiiiiiilllllllll be lovved!
"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/25/2008 04:48AM by chet.
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