Spanish Grand Prix April 27th

The Bourdais-Piquet incident is 50:50 IMO. Piquet was a little enthousiastic and Bourdais hadn't expected him there and shut the door. Piquet decided very late to take a shot and Bourdais already thought Piquet would't try. Race incident.

Also Q3 told me that he was 7 tenths slower than his team mate.

And can I just say that RB was ahead of Button before the wing incident? I still don't know why it broke though.

But why was Piquet so far back, oh yes he made an error and when in the gravel. He is taking far to long to settle into f1.

agree with Marc there, even Heikki was better by the time he was in his second race and had even put one-two points on the board. Piquet really should be demoted and be sent back to GP2 for more training. I think Renault should clinch Ant Davidson imo, he knows how the cars work and his testing will surely help the input.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/27/2008 01:57PM by Monza972.

I have to be honest I thought piquet would have done better. People used to say his team cheated in f3 and gp2 to make him look better, he ran lewis close in gp2 he is just so off the pace. Maybe the year testing did not help him maybe he lost his race craft I just dont know. He is in one of the top teams they will have to do something soon.

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> IMHO... Bullshit, it was Bourdais to blame for,
> he's a twat... It's easy for him now to blame the
> mirrors for it, so why he didnt complained about
> them before? hypocritical, Piquet had the right to
> overtake and he did so... ofc he didnt expected
> bourdais to shut the door on him... the rookie is
> the STR driver not the Renault driver. These wide
> mirrors need to be banned. Quickly. Or it will be
> used as an excuse to shut the door on other
> drivers.
>
> Piquet will prove hes worth a F1 seat, at this
> moment hes worth than some idiots that are in F1
> atm (Bourdais, Sutil, DC, Nakajima...)
>
> I dont get why people is willing to see him being
> replaced when its not his fault that he had two
> broken gearboxes and a twat closing the door on
> him. He's working hard and he's doing his work. Q3
> last saturday proved me right. But by your logic,
> Sutil, Vettel, DC, Glock should be replaced too
> then. Bollocks... wtf was sutil doing when he put
> an end to vettel's third attempt to finish a race
> without being punted off?
>
> And... LMAO... LMAO... and LMAO... to Jenson's
> teammate. As usual, he sucked and Jenson drove a
> faultless race to score points! Ace :D

Everytime I read your posts I wince at the language. Can you not try and put forth an opinion with cussing every other word?

imo you're wrong, DC and Button had a similar incident in Bahrain, go back to 2006 and watch the onboard footage of the renault or mclaren and see how much the mirrors vibrate. Now you tell me you can honestly tell that someone is there when there is that much movement. And then the mirrors on the renault and mclaren were on the nose. It is not just a problem with the position of the mirrors, they're almost there just because a car is supposed to have them and would look stupid without them.

They are not functional, and have not been for some time. Until this is rectified you'll get more racing incidents like we've seen so far this season.

Bruninho Wrote:
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> IMHO... Bullshit, it was Bourdais to blame for,
> he's a twat... It's easy for him now to blame the
> mirrors for it, so why he didnt complained about
> them before? hypocritical, Piquet had the right to
> overtake and he did so... ofc he didnt expected
> bourdais to shut the door on him... the rookie is
> the STR driver not the Renault driver. These wide
> mirrors need to be banned. Quickly. Or it will be
> used as an excuse to shut the door on other
> drivers.
>
> Piquet will prove hes worth a F1 seat, at this
> moment hes worth than some idiots that are in F1
> atm (Bourdais, Sutil, DC, Nakajima...)
>
> I dont get why people is willing to see him being
> replaced when its not his fault that he had two
> broken gearboxes and a twat closing the door on
> him. He's working hard and he's doing his work. Q3
> last saturday proved me right. But by your logic,
> Sutil, Vettel, DC, Glock should be replaced too
> then. Bollocks... wtf was sutil doing when he put
> an end to vettel's third attempt to finish a race
> without being punted off?
>
> And... LMAO... LMAO... and LMAO... to Jenson's
> teammate. As usual, he sucked and Jenson drove a
> faultless race to score points! Ace :D

Need I remind you about your recent comments about judging drivers despite your own lack of achievement? If you have forgotten I will gladly repost it in this thread, and every thread you make such poorly informed double standards comments for everyone to see the pwnage.

Grow up and live by the standards which you expect others to live by, or I and others will keep posting such comments as this.

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I was going to say that people have a go at massa for less but stick up for Piquet.

Getting him mixed up with Jagdpanzer by any chance Dave?

Agree entirely though. His entire reasoning is beyond comprehension. Barrichello has jumped up and down all over Piquet this season, so I fail to see how he can be so against the better driver.

Barrichello makes 1 mistake (even presuming it was his mistake, despite reading it was the somehow jack-man's fault on another forum), yet Piquet has managed not to crash/go off/spin in 1 race out of 4 so far...

His pace his improved of late, but Alonso is just destroying him at the moment.

Thumbs up to Nakajima - I thought he'd be very poor, worse than Piquet, but he just keeps getting better as the season goes on. He'll never be a front-running driver, but he's got his head screwed on much tighter than I'd have imagined.

if piquet was any worse, he'd be worse than Ide... he managed to throw away a decent qualli slot and then make things 10 times worse by being over optimistic with bourdais. I think the FIA should check the RBR mirrors... seems to be only them who have major issues with them!

Unfortunate for Heidfeld, average from lewis (they really should work on making that thing easy to set up), yawn worthy from Raikkonen again (yeah he won, but had no competition). Massa is improving, (managed to finish a race he wasn't leading!) but still nowhere near Kimi standard.

Shame Super Aguri put such a heavy fuel load in Sato, but well done to him for holding off DC in a fair and square manner (he had no problems with his mirrors!)

And Kovy is a lucky lucky guy

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Date: April 27, 2008 12:38PM
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Getting him mixed up with Jagdpanzer by any chance Dave?

I've called both of them out on it, I just didn't think Bruninhos post out as well and unleashed fury on him before, so yup. It is kind of easy to mix those 2 up though, since they are practically the same person with the same poorly thought out posts. Great minds think alike, but fools seldom differ.

> Piquet will prove hes worth a F1 seat, at this
> moment hes worth than some idiots that are in F1
> atm (Bourdais, Sutil, DC, Nakajima...)

By dive bombing other cars. Given his epic fail at Albert Park I'd love someone to tally up just how many cars Nelson has destroyed this year.

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/27/2008 02:51PM by DaveEllis.

danny87 Wrote:
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> Lucky boy is all i can say.
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Lucky indeed but why on earth did that chassis crack like it did? I would have thought that after Robert's accident in Montreal last year that the FIA would have made efforts to stregthen the front of the cars. Heikki's crash was just like Burti's accident at Spa '01 but the Prost chassis dealt held up far better than the Mclaren did today.

Indeed !!
It looked like his car went under the tyre wall conveyer belt type thing ... :s

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"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL

chet Wrote:
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> Indeed !!
> It looked like his car went under the tyre wall
> conveyer belt type thing ... :s


It did. Since he was going up hill and the front of the car was low it just lifted the tyre barrier up and over him.

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It's quite interesting that gravel traps are there to help slow cars down but when they're doing 120+ they seem to do sweet FA apart from launch the car into the air and don't slow it down at all.

zeppelin101 Wrote:
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> It's quite interesting that gravel traps are there
> to help slow cars down but when they're doing 120+
> they seem to do sweet FA apart from launch the car
> into the air and don't slow it down at all.

Well no not really. They have never be good at slowing down cars that are stright lining them. Had it been a rear failure then he would have soun and the gravel would have stopped him and everyone would have said "Look, Gravel Traps do work!".

There is no perfect system, and when you are on 2 or 3 wheels like Heikki was, a tarmac run off wouldn't have done much either.

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but its only the mclaren's that have this tyre failure thing. Last time out in Nurburging the same happened to Lewis. They really have to sort this out

Heikki Kovalainen will spend the night in a Barcelona hospital after it emerged that he was knocked unconscious in his high speed crash during the Spanish Grand Prix.

McLaren boss Ron Dennis, however, said a CT scan at the Hospital General de Catalunya revealed that the Finnish driver has no head injuries beyond a concussion.

"The team is optimistic that he will make a full recovery over the next few days," Dennis added, explaining that the final step for Kovalainen prior to clearance to race in Turkey will be the customary FIA medical exam.

The Team Principal earlier told reporters that he was '99.9 per cent sure' the crash was caused by a wheel failure.

Source: F1 Live



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/27/2008 03:40PM by Monza972.

For lewis it was caused be a loose wheel this was not and it has happened in the past that a stone has caused this time of problem. For Senna in Imola 1990 it was with the rear tyre but it has happened to other people.

Was it not mika that had a wheel problem that caused his crash in Australia that year?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/27/2008 03:54PM by marcl.

Monza972 Wrote:
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> but its only the mclaren's that have this tyre
> failure thing. Last time out in Nurburging the
> same happened to Lewis. They really have to sort
> this out

As I remember it was a wheel-nut for Lewis. The wheel was flopping about before the wheel essentially ripped itself apart. //edit: Marc beat me.

No idea what caused Heikki's, but it doesn't look like a tyre failure. There's a large puff of brake dust, but it's hard to know if that's cause of effect. I'd imagine the latter give how little they brake there and the timing of it.

I'd imagine the chassis was torn upwards rather than being crushed or twisting laterally. They're designed for side and head-on impacts, and I doubt they're anywhere near as strong if the chassis tries to bend upwards, if you see what I mean, which could easily be the case given the wall it hit and how it hit it. Nevertheless, worrying how easily it still fell apart.



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zeppelin101 Wrote:
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> It's quite interesting that gravel traps are there
> to help slow cars down but when they're doing 120+
> they seem to do sweet FA apart from launch the car
> into the air and don't slow it down at all.

Which is another reason the drivers try and request tarmac run off at corners like this... Though i doubt it would have helped in this case.

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"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL

Bruninho Wrote:
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> IMHO... Bullshit, it was Bourdais to blame for,
> he's a twat... It's easy for him now to blame the
> mirrors for it, so why he didnt complained about
> them before? hypocritical, Piquet had the right to
> overtake and he did so... ofc he didnt expected
> bourdais to shut the door on him... the rookie is
> the STR driver not the Renault driver. These wide
> mirrors need to be banned. Quickly. Or it will be
> used as an excuse to shut the door on other
> drivers.
>
> Piquet will prove hes worth a F1 seat, at this
> moment hes worth than some idiots that are in F1
> atm (Bourdais, Sutil, DC, Nakajima...)
>
> I dont get why people is willing to see him being
> replaced when its not his fault that he had two
> broken gearboxes and a twat closing the door on
> him. He's working hard and he's doing his work. Q3
> last saturday proved me right. But by your logic,
> Sutil, Vettel, DC, Glock should be replaced too
> then. Bollocks... wtf was sutil doing when he put
> an end to vettel's third attempt to finish a race
> without being punted off?
>
> And... LMAO... LMAO... and LMAO... to Jenson's
> teammate. As usual, he sucked and Jenson drove a
> faultless race to score points! Ace :D


So it wasnt his fault that he ruined his (still miles behind Nando) quali postion by going off all alone? He would never had been in that position with Bourdais had he been able to keep it on the road.

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