Italian GP - Monza - Official Thread **SPOILERS**
Posted by Muks_C
as for the rule about passing and cutting chicanes, i think it's wrong.
as people have said, it gives them licence to just make a crazy move from anywhere, and as long as their nose is ahead, they can cut the chicane and get away with it.
we saw how hard Nick tried to make the chicane (and he did make it), so BMW would be able to put their case forward that Nick made the chicane so FA should be penalised, but FA had no chance of making it.
i wish they had penalised MS (or told him to allow Pedro past) in Hungary because it now sets a bad precedent for future races.
but that's the crazy world of the FIA for ya.
RIP Jules, never to be forgotten. #KeepFightingMichael
as people have said, it gives them licence to just make a crazy move from anywhere, and as long as their nose is ahead, they can cut the chicane and get away with it.
we saw how hard Nick tried to make the chicane (and he did make it), so BMW would be able to put their case forward that Nick made the chicane so FA should be penalised, but FA had no chance of making it.
i wish they had penalised MS (or told him to allow Pedro past) in Hungary because it now sets a bad precedent for future races.
but that's the crazy world of the FIA for ya.
RIP Jules, never to be forgotten. #KeepFightingMichael
"It isnt even worth mentioning until the press got hold of it and turned it into a Renault accuse Ferrari of cheating story. It emerged very early in the weekend as small news, then sites like Autosport and F1racing.net blew it into a big situation, which it never was."
The Autosport article doesn't even mention Ferrari?
And while i can't vouch for F1racing, Autosport certainly wasn't making a big deal out of it.
The Autosport article doesn't even mention Ferrari?
And while i can't vouch for F1racing, Autosport certainly wasn't making a big deal out of it.
@ muks: dam that look ugly, kimi in ferrari clothes 
From reading this thread i make my conclusion. Once again ferrari are back ontop of the pile and 90% of people are saying they are cheating, Do people not get fed up accusing ferrari of everything, i know i get fed up of reading it all the time. At the end of the day its easy to blame somone else rather than look at your own mistakes.
mikef1 Wrote:
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> "From reading this thread i make my conclusion. Once again ferrari are
> back ontop of the pile and 90% of people are saying they are
> cheating,"
>
> Personally i don't blame Ferrari, i blame the FIA. Any other team
> would love to be in the position Ferrari are in with all their
> heritage and influence. However it's the FIA's way of handling issues
> such as Alono's qualifying penalty that makes me suspicious of their
> motives and makes me question the reasoning behind such actions.
> Such incidents have happened before like in 1989 when Senna was
> disqualified after a stupid techincality when he won the race, all the
> other teams and drivers (apart from Prost) couldn't understand the
> decision but it still stood. That was down to Jean Marie Balestre, who
> was the president of the FIA, who had a fondness for Prost but a
> dislike of Senna.
Yeah, I agree, but I blame both (Ferrari and FIA). Massa must be crazy to complain that Alonso (who was more than 400m infront of his Ferrari) was blocking him... FIA's controversial decision clearly destroyed Alonso's race. Because starting in 10th position, he was forced to extract as much as possible from his car, what led to the failure that retired him from the race. In other circumstances, he'd have at least finished 3rd with a conservative strategy and therefore reduced the damage to his ch'ship advantage. But we could blame Renault too, for the ridiculous pit stop work at Hungary.
and Mikef1, glad you remember it, because when we argue against MS work ethics, most people forget it when they refer to Suzuka 90 in an attempt to counter our arguments. They are different circumstances caused by different reasons. And Ballestre admitted it (the fondness for Prost) 2 years after Senna's death in a interview. But going down more in the past, we have also Monaco 1984 as another suspicious race results intervention, because the race was red flagged exactly when Senna in his Toleman-Hart overtook Prost, a french driver leading a race held in french territory.
"I'm an artist, the track is my canvas, and the car is my brush."
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> "From reading this thread i make my conclusion. Once again ferrari are
> back ontop of the pile and 90% of people are saying they are
> cheating,"
>
> Personally i don't blame Ferrari, i blame the FIA. Any other team
> would love to be in the position Ferrari are in with all their
> heritage and influence. However it's the FIA's way of handling issues
> such as Alono's qualifying penalty that makes me suspicious of their
> motives and makes me question the reasoning behind such actions.
> Such incidents have happened before like in 1989 when Senna was
> disqualified after a stupid techincality when he won the race, all the
> other teams and drivers (apart from Prost) couldn't understand the
> decision but it still stood. That was down to Jean Marie Balestre, who
> was the president of the FIA, who had a fondness for Prost but a
> dislike of Senna.
Yeah, I agree, but I blame both (Ferrari and FIA). Massa must be crazy to complain that Alonso (who was more than 400m infront of his Ferrari) was blocking him... FIA's controversial decision clearly destroyed Alonso's race. Because starting in 10th position, he was forced to extract as much as possible from his car, what led to the failure that retired him from the race. In other circumstances, he'd have at least finished 3rd with a conservative strategy and therefore reduced the damage to his ch'ship advantage. But we could blame Renault too, for the ridiculous pit stop work at Hungary.
and Mikef1, glad you remember it, because when we argue against MS work ethics, most people forget it when they refer to Suzuka 90 in an attempt to counter our arguments. They are different circumstances caused by different reasons. And Ballestre admitted it (the fondness for Prost) 2 years after Senna's death in a interview. But going down more in the past, we have also Monaco 1984 as another suspicious race results intervention, because the race was red flagged exactly when Senna in his Toleman-Hart overtook Prost, a french driver leading a race held in french territory.
"I'm an artist, the track is my canvas, and the car is my brush."
Whee, let's rehash 20 year old "conspiraces" now.
If Jackie Ickx felt that it was unsafe, it []i[/i] was unsafe.
If Jackie Ickx felt that it was unsafe, it []i[/i] was unsafe.
But we could blame Renault too, for the ridiculous pit stop work at Hungary.
incorrect that was a mechancial based wheel failure not human error
you can blame alonso for playing the doornbos games
incorrect that was a mechancial based wheel failure not human error
you can blame alonso for playing the doornbos games
tripleM Wrote:
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> Whee, let's rehash 20 year old "conspiraces" now.
>
> If Jackie Ickx felt that it was unsafe, it []i was unsafe.
>
>
>
> Bonzo!
I agree that it was unsafe and they should have red flagged it, but the question is why they took a lot of laps to decide it? Prost asked them to red flag it laps before they did it. And they decided to do it exactly when Senna overtook him and was lapping faster than him!
Stefan Bellof also had a chance to get it, because he was in 3rd and was also lapping faster than them.
"I'm an artist, the track is my canvas, and the car is my brush."
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> Whee, let's rehash 20 year old "conspiraces" now.
>
> If Jackie Ickx felt that it was unsafe, it []i was unsafe.
>
>
>
> Bonzo!
I agree that it was unsafe and they should have red flagged it, but the question is why they took a lot of laps to decide it? Prost asked them to red flag it laps before they did it. And they decided to do it exactly when Senna overtook him and was lapping faster than him!
Stefan Bellof also had a chance to get it, because he was in 3rd and was also lapping faster than them.
"I'm an artist, the track is my canvas, and the car is my brush."
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