JPM to Ganassi Nextel Cup #42

I think that Coulthard is still enjoying F1, especially with Red Bull. He still has confidence in himself and he can obviously still drive - podium at monaco and he consistently out performs Klien.

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To all those people who think F1 is boring

Nobody said F1 was boring.

Jagdpanzer, your a troll. For someone who acts high and mighty, you knowledge of the sport in question is exceptionally poor. You'd do well to learn what your discussing before making such comments

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coulthard is having hard times with Klien
the same guy who was 1 sec slower than Webber in all thier races together in 2004.
but still,coulthard can be one of the fastests sometimes
not forgeting France 2000 Monaco 2002 Suzuka 2002.
and i think those are good news for DaveEllis .
as he is a Nascar fan.
i think whats more amazing than Montoya leaving F1,is leaving it for such dumb racing seires.
i tried to watch som of the Busch seires the other day.
and oh Man,it was three laps that i was in physical pain,i was never that board in my life,then i turned the channel into something much more exciting,(Gilmour girls)



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about F1 being boring
it is.
but we still watch it because,a few years back,it was not that boring,and and we can get some exciting moments sometimes.
like when Alonso passed over some debris in the last race
i mean we watch F1 because we have some favorate drivers and teams we want to see what they are doing,like when watching a crap tv seiers because it has an actor or actress we like.

Saw this one coming a mile off...It never seemed likely to see Montoya going to Red Bull or doing a come back tour with Williams. So going off from Formula 1 seemed the only likely choice for him.

Now we just have to wait and see what Kimi does

why?Redbull is supposed to be going up.with Adrian and a mountine of money.

Money and 1 smart guy can not buy you sucess, ask Toyota.

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Jagdpanzer, your a troll.
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No DaveEllis, I'm not. What I am is someone with a strong opinion, and someone with just as much right to post it as you or your cute moderating ally Morbid. (BTW, Morbid, I know how to search Google images and find some juvenile little forum jpeg to post too if I ever feel so inclined...)

Why is it considered a "troll" to state the patently obvious? If JPM HAD been successful he wouldn't need to flee like some refugee to NASCAR now would he? Renault or Ferrari would have long since signed him for the open seats they have next season. But they didn't want him, did they?
And contrary to what you and some other "experts" here have stated, I have seen no evidence that RBR EVER offered him a contract. JPM would have leapt at the chance to drive for them, and said as much in a recent interview in F1 Racing. RBR didn't want JPM because they know they have a better driver and known quantity in DC and that there is more potential upswing for a younger driver to take over the second seat behind him than for JPM to destroy 3 or 4 cars over the course of the season. Even BMW is happier with Jacques than with offering JPM his seat!

He wore out his welcome at McLaren, Ferrari doesn't want him, Pat Symonds from Renault didn't think JPM worthy of driving for them, Honda is full, RBR didn't want him, so whats left? Williams? Midland? Super Aguri?

No, I state again, JPM went to NASCAR because he simply wasn't successful enough to stay with a upper team in F1, and wouldn't go to a lesser team and rebuild his reputation.

If you think this is a troll then you're sadly mistaken. What it is is a frank appraisal of JPM's F1 career. Flashes of brilliance dimmed by repeat examples of idiocy behind the wheel.

Sorry if that hurts your feelings....



"There are some pikeys there at Turn 10 putting tarmac down - what do you think of that?" - Martin Brundle

its realy becoming boring that when ever somebody dosn't have a good replay he tells u to get a life.
its only 4 hours every 14 days.
i am positive most of you watch porn more than 10 hours every week.

This is just stupid. Montoya, and his managers are the only ones who knows how was that. Stop trying to be the best information out there, when they are only rumours.

There's been only one thing i can save from Montoya from all this decision, and is that european press is to harsh: If you crash with another driver, or at least just touching, you're an animal, while what they keep on asking is more overtaking, and using fans as a shield



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Why is it considered a "troll" to state the patently obvious?

Its not stating the blatently obvious. Its flat out making up lies in order to support your mis-informed opinion.

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Jagdpanzer Wrote:
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> Better question is will Button ever learn how to operate F1 machinery
> on anything like a competent level....

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> Chet's such a easy target it's hard to pass it up.

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> If you think this is a troll then you're sadly mistaken.

Uhmm yeah...

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It's only after we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything.

Dave, why don't you let people ask their questions, give their opinions and tell their stories. If it doesn't contain: 'OMG what a brilliant move to a brilliant series' you flame them! And that's what you do all the time.
Chet for example wants do have a decent discussion with you, but I get the feeling you find yourself 'to good' for him and therefor ignore his posts. And then saying: Oh, I can't have a decent discussion here.
ISN'T THAT OBVIOUS? What you do is pissing off everyone by flaming everyone who doesn't have your opinion, Jadgpanzer, Chet, everybody! You WANT to have everyone to share your opinion and if they don't, they have to f*ck themselves with vortex generators, calling posts which don't support your opinion moronic and so forth. In a decent discussion, and that's what you want, you can share opinions, don't swear, and let people speak. There is a decent discussion going on here, but you simply don't give it a chance to reach you as you have a concreet wall in front of your self written 'MY OPINION PWNZZZZZZZ' on it.

Dave, why don't you let people ask their questions, give their opinions and tell their stories. If it doesn't contain: 'OMG what a brilliant move to a brilliant series' you flame them! And that's what you do all the time.

Not at all. However, stating JPM is "crap" is simply a lie. Plain and simple.

Its not nothing to do with the "opinion" stated, but rather how it is stated. Want an example?


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Date: July 09, 2006 11:30PM
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Bottom line - JPM is going to NASCAR for one reason, no matter what his fanboys and he himself says, and that reason is this: he's a failure in F1.
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Date: July 09, 2006 04:53PM
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Yeh! Finaly no stupid juan in formula one!
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Date: July 09, 2006 05:56PM
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I'll be sad to see him go as he is an exciting driver. Ild be suprised if we ever see him in F1 again tho.
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This is interesting. I can't help but feel that Montoya's F1 promise has been kind of unfulfilled. But I wish he has success in NASCAR
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I'm just happy and relieved he is racing. My worry was he'd completely stop altogether.
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*sigh*....bye bye Monty, it's a shame we couldn't see you at your best of late. You always made things exciting when you were having a good day
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(Notice how i had to go elsewhere to get good comments?). These comments all disagree with my opinion, however are stated in a respectfull way rather than running in and declaring JPM crap and an idiot and all the rest of it. Unfortunatly, whilst i can deal with trolls nicely, i snapped at chet because im unable to cope with the stupidity. An 18 year old who cant read, and cant find info for himself. The fact i had to go elsewhere for nice quotes shows whats wrong with this forum. It wasnt like this in the old days.

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/10/2006 10:28AM by DaveEllis.

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Date: July 09, 2006 11:30PM
Posted by: Jagdpanzer (IP Logged)

Bottom line - JPM is going to NASCAR for one reason, no matter what his fanboys and he himself says, and that reason is this: he's a failure in F1.

He gives his opinion (He finds JPM a failure) and because he doesn't like JPM or whatsoever, his post falls in the Poor-post-category.
Because he doesn't like JPM and you appearently do.

Notice how the so called 'good posts' are written by people who DO like JPM and the Poor-posts are written by people who don't like them?

Unfortunatly, whilst i can deal with trolls nicely, i snapped at chet because im unable to cope with the stupidity. An 18 year old who cant read, and cant find info for himself.

Judging by his posts, he has read and he read that you seemed to have two opposite opinions.

i have to say I agree with Jagdpanzer, it makes sense that because there is little or no interest in him from F1 bosses, he has had to look elsewhere rather than drop into a lower F1 team, and that lack of interest is caused by his erraticness (is that a word?) and inconsistency and many rookie-type mistakes.

i do like his character off-track, he's funny and seems a nice bloke, but on-track he definitely has very much under-fulfilled his promise, and is almost a liability. i do think he deserves to be in F1 and F1 has lost a character, but maybe he should have taken an offer from a lower team, it might have rebuilt his reputation and reinvigorated him, like what happened to DC.

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Judging by his posts, he has read and he read that you seemed to have two opposite opinions.

Nope. He took the line "the racing concerned" as the meaning of wheel to wheel racing, not the type of racing, which is the context it was written in.

Notice how the so called 'good posts' are written by people who DO like JPM and the Poor-posts are written by people who don't like them?

they arent actually. They are written by people who have respect.

Because he doesn't like JPM and you appearently do.

I dont like JPM actually. Im just not an anti-fanboy like some people.

And since you tried to justify Jagdpanzers comments, heres some more.

JPM will fit right in with the yokels in NASCAR. His monkey like driving maneuvers are par for the course in the stock cars.

they view him as a inconsistent, hotheaded car wrecker who can't be trsuted to score points for the team or bring a car home

And contrary to what you and some other "experts" here have stated, I have seen no evidence that RBR EVER offered him a contract. (completelty ignoring what Red Bulls very own Gerhard Berger said, but he doesnt know anything, obviously!)

No, I state again, JPM went to NASCAR because he simply wasn't successful enough to stay with a upper team in F1

Oh, and then we get such insightfull comments such as LISTEN the guy sucks from Slash.

and people wonder why the main members of this forum have moved onto other places? Perhaps because they dont have to put up with this stuff.

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btw, anyone who watched the Nextel Cup coverage last night will have seen the massive ammount of respect the NASCAR world has already given JPM. During the press conference many of the regular drivers attended, and many were seen talking to JPM afterwards. Despite the (wrong) reputation NASCAR has for hating foriegners, they welcomed him with open arms. F1s loss is NASCARs gain.

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they arent actually. They are written by people who have respect.

I have to say they are. They are sad that he leaves (if you didn't like him, you wouldn't be sad).


And since you tried to justify Jagdpanzers comments, heres some more.

I was not justifying his comments. It was the fact that you make his post to a 'poor post' because he is glad JPM is out of F1. Yes, he says it with a bit of agression. But maybe he hates him and is glad he goes. Wouldn't you be glad if the man next door would move if you find him an ass?

And contrary to what you and some other "experts" here have stated, I have seen no evidence that RBR EVER offered him a contract. (completelty ignoring what Red Bulls very own Gerhard Berger said, but he doesnt know anything, obviously!)

Like he says, he hasn't seen any evidence. Yes, it was there, but if you don't know it, you can accidentally make a statement like that.


No, I state again, JPM went to NASCAR because he simply wasn't successful enough to stay with a upper team in F1

What's wrong with this one then? It is completely true. If JPM was successful enough, he would have been offered a seat at a top team.

have to say i am not overly sad to see jpm go, but i do think he has more to offer than some of the drivers that are there.

But i can see y he is leaving and if it makes him happy then good luck to him.

I have seen loads of drivers come and go, alesi was not missed like people said he would be.

Next year people will hardly even mention jpm within f1