JPM to Ganassi Nextel Cup #42
Posted by DaveEllis
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I have to say they are. They are sad that he leaves (if you didn't like him, you wouldn't be sad).
I dont like Schumacher. I'll be sad when he leaves. I want the best possible drivers in f1, and taking out Schumacher (or in this case, JPM) removes one. So no, they are not written by people that like him. I know that because i know the people that wrote it, on another forum.
I was not justifying his comments. It was the fact that you make his post to a 'poor post' because he is glad JPM is out of F1. Yes, he says it with a bit of agression. But maybe he hates him and is glad he goes. Wouldn't you be glad if the man next door would move if you find him an ass?
I wouldnt make up stuff about the man next door caling him crap at his job either. Stating someone who has won several GPs is crap, is just uncalled for. All this "BYE BYE, dont come back" crap is just plain disrespectfull. Any true F1 fan would not be acting like this.
What's wrong with this one then? It is completely true. If JPM was successful enough, he would have been offered a seat at a top team.
Whats wrong with that is its FALSE. JPM was unhappy living in Europe, and made that clear awhile ago. Hes also unhappy with the type of racing that F1 is (or lack of is more his point). Hes going back to America to be happy and, in his own words, to return to racing.
Williams and Red Bull offered JPM a contract (and red bull is a nice place to be, they will move to the front) and he turned them down. If JPM was being a refugee of F1 like poeple are suggesting, then ChampCar or DTM would have been his first choice. But it wasnt, he phoned Chip and even Chip didnt belive it at first. NASCAR is not a logical choice if your being forced out of F1, so it is clear that he is certainly not being forced into the move.
What is happening here (and on other forums) is hillarious. The reasons for the swap have been publicly stated by the 2 most important people involved. JPM and Chip. But yet people are making up new reasons because they are unable to accept JPMs decsion that he wants to go racing and he considers NASCAR better for this. Its the Formula Elitest taking over again. Having to do anything and everything to prove F1 is still the top slot.
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The elite F1 community tends to look down its nose at NASCAR's relatively unsophisticated style of racing, so Montoya's migration will give the series an air of credibility.
"The Europeans have to sit up and say, 'What's that about?'," said former driver Benny Parsons, now a television analyst for NBC and TNT.
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Hendrick Motorsports vice president of competition Ken Howes, a former F1 crew member, called Montoya's decision "brave." Howes figures he'll challenge for victories at NASCAR's two road-course races next year and, if given time, will be able to learn the other tracks.
Howes wishes Montoya good luck - to a point.
"Hope he doesn't do too well," Howes said, smiling.
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Hes being shown alot of respect in his new community. Several drivers made a point of going to meet him before the race last night, to congradulate him on the change. Not a bad word has been said about him by the NASCAR world since it, which also puts to bed another false point:
He just doesn't understand that while F1 is truly a global sport, NASCAR is still very, very much a "good old boy" series...
Blatently not true with the reception that Juan has recived in the last 24hours.
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I dont like Schumacher. I'll be sad when he leaves. I want the best possible drivers in f1, and taking out Schumacher (or in this case, JPM) removes one. So no, they are not written by people that like him. I know that because i know the people that wrote it, on another forum.
I was not justifying his comments. It was the fact that you make his post to a 'poor post' because he is glad JPM is out of F1. Yes, he says it with a bit of agression. But maybe he hates him and is glad he goes. Wouldn't you be glad if the man next door would move if you find him an ass?
I wouldnt make up stuff about the man next door caling him crap at his job either. Stating someone who has won several GPs is crap, is just uncalled for. All this "BYE BYE, dont come back" crap is just plain disrespectfull. Any true F1 fan would not be acting like this.
What's wrong with this one then? It is completely true. If JPM was successful enough, he would have been offered a seat at a top team.
Whats wrong with that is its FALSE. JPM was unhappy living in Europe, and made that clear awhile ago. Hes also unhappy with the type of racing that F1 is (or lack of is more his point). Hes going back to America to be happy and, in his own words, to return to racing.
Williams and Red Bull offered JPM a contract (and red bull is a nice place to be, they will move to the front) and he turned them down. If JPM was being a refugee of F1 like poeple are suggesting, then ChampCar or DTM would have been his first choice. But it wasnt, he phoned Chip and even Chip didnt belive it at first. NASCAR is not a logical choice if your being forced out of F1, so it is clear that he is certainly not being forced into the move.
What is happening here (and on other forums) is hillarious. The reasons for the swap have been publicly stated by the 2 most important people involved. JPM and Chip. But yet people are making up new reasons because they are unable to accept JPMs decsion that he wants to go racing and he considers NASCAR better for this. Its the Formula Elitest taking over again. Having to do anything and everything to prove F1 is still the top slot.
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The elite F1 community tends to look down its nose at NASCAR's relatively unsophisticated style of racing, so Montoya's migration will give the series an air of credibility.
"The Europeans have to sit up and say, 'What's that about?'," said former driver Benny Parsons, now a television analyst for NBC and TNT.
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Hendrick Motorsports vice president of competition Ken Howes, a former F1 crew member, called Montoya's decision "brave." Howes figures he'll challenge for victories at NASCAR's two road-course races next year and, if given time, will be able to learn the other tracks.
Howes wishes Montoya good luck - to a point.
"Hope he doesn't do too well," Howes said, smiling.
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Hes being shown alot of respect in his new community. Several drivers made a point of going to meet him before the race last night, to congradulate him on the change. Not a bad word has been said about him by the NASCAR world since it, which also puts to bed another false point:
He just doesn't understand that while F1 is truly a global sport, NASCAR is still very, very much a "good old boy" series...
Blatently not true with the reception that Juan has recived in the last 24hours.
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Nickv Wrote:
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> He gives his opinion (He finds JPM a failure) and because he doesn't
> like JPM or whatsoever, his post falls in the Poor-post-category.
> Because he doesn't like JPM and you appearently do.
So if I claim that the moon is made of cheese, you would praise me for it too?
When people state opinions that in full contradiction to the facts that are within easy access, and they claim that they have the ability to do just that, then it is time to question either their sanity or motive...
I opt to question the latter.
So here are but a few examples:
Jagdpanzer Wrote:
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> And contrary to what you and some other "experts" here have stated, I
> have seen no evidence that RBR EVER offered him a contract. JPM would
> have leapt at the chance to drive for them, and said as much in a
> recent interview in F1 Racing. RBR didn't want JPM because they know
> they have a better driver and known quantity in DC and that there is
> more potential upswing for a younger driver to take over the second
> seat behind him than for JPM to destroy 3 or 4 cars over the course of
> the season.
Article from yesterday - "Questions unanswered in Red Bull camp":
[f1.racing-live.com]
"He [Berger] also said he believed that Juan Pablo Montoya had not been 'completely' ruled out of the 2007 equation."
Jagdpanzer Wrote:
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> He wore out his welcome at McLaren, Ferrari doesn't want him, Pat
> Symonds from Renault didn't think JPM worthy of driving for them,
> Honda is full, RBR didn't want him, so whats left? Williams? Midland?
> Super Aguri?
Article from today - "Montoya looking forward to NASCAR":
[f1.racing-live.com]
"Just minutes before the announcement here at Chicagoland Speedway, Montoya telephoned McLaren team principal Ron Dennis and Mercedes-Benz racing director Norbert Haug to inform them of his decision. "I can't say they were happy about it," Montoya said."
Article from today - "Montoya says he had F1 'options"
[f1.racing-live.com]
"I had a couple of options in F1," the Colombian told a news conference in Chicago on Sunday, "and they were completely open for me to sign.""
Jagdpanzer Wrote:
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> BTW, Morbid, I know how to search Google
> images and find some juvenile little forum jpeg to post too if I ever
> feel so inclined...)
Why don't you use your internet skills to read some information about the topics you choose to talk online about. Then perhaps you would not need to make stuff up.
It's only after we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything.
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> He gives his opinion (He finds JPM a failure) and because he doesn't
> like JPM or whatsoever, his post falls in the Poor-post-category.
> Because he doesn't like JPM and you appearently do.
So if I claim that the moon is made of cheese, you would praise me for it too?
When people state opinions that in full contradiction to the facts that are within easy access, and they claim that they have the ability to do just that, then it is time to question either their sanity or motive...
I opt to question the latter.
So here are but a few examples:
Jagdpanzer Wrote:
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> And contrary to what you and some other "experts" here have stated, I
> have seen no evidence that RBR EVER offered him a contract. JPM would
> have leapt at the chance to drive for them, and said as much in a
> recent interview in F1 Racing. RBR didn't want JPM because they know
> they have a better driver and known quantity in DC and that there is
> more potential upswing for a younger driver to take over the second
> seat behind him than for JPM to destroy 3 or 4 cars over the course of
> the season.
Article from yesterday - "Questions unanswered in Red Bull camp":
[f1.racing-live.com]
"He [Berger] also said he believed that Juan Pablo Montoya had not been 'completely' ruled out of the 2007 equation."
Jagdpanzer Wrote:
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> He wore out his welcome at McLaren, Ferrari doesn't want him, Pat
> Symonds from Renault didn't think JPM worthy of driving for them,
> Honda is full, RBR didn't want him, so whats left? Williams? Midland?
> Super Aguri?
Article from today - "Montoya looking forward to NASCAR":
[f1.racing-live.com]
"Just minutes before the announcement here at Chicagoland Speedway, Montoya telephoned McLaren team principal Ron Dennis and Mercedes-Benz racing director Norbert Haug to inform them of his decision. "I can't say they were happy about it," Montoya said."
Article from today - "Montoya says he had F1 'options"
[f1.racing-live.com]
"I had a couple of options in F1," the Colombian told a news conference in Chicago on Sunday, "and they were completely open for me to sign.""
Jagdpanzer Wrote:
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> BTW, Morbid, I know how to search Google
> images and find some juvenile little forum jpeg to post too if I ever
> feel so inclined...)
Why don't you use your internet skills to read some information about the topics you choose to talk online about. Then perhaps you would not need to make stuff up.
It's only after we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything.
| Registered: 18 years ago |
(if you didn't like him, you wouldn't be sad).
tbh, that's rubbish. I don't like JPM, I think he's a bit hot headed sometimes and does seem to go over the top occassionally, but I'm sad to see him go. He is a good driver, unfortunately for the past two years he's been put in the shadows by Kimi, who is plainly faster in every sense. He had an opinion on everytihng, and he wasn't afraid to speak his mind.
While F1 doesn't need personalities like this, it's nice when they do come along. It gives the sport another dimension that, according to some people, is sadly lacking
tbh, that's rubbish. I don't like JPM, I think he's a bit hot headed sometimes and does seem to go over the top occassionally, but I'm sad to see him go. He is a good driver, unfortunately for the past two years he's been put in the shadows by Kimi, who is plainly faster in every sense. He had an opinion on everytihng, and he wasn't afraid to speak his mind.
While F1 doesn't need personalities like this, it's nice when they do come along. It gives the sport another dimension that, according to some people, is sadly lacking
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So if I claim that the moon is made of cheese, you would praise me for it too?
I haven't even thought of praising Jagdpanzer. If you want to claim the moon is made of cheese, claim it, go ahead.
In this community people are allowed to give their opinions. If your opinion is that the moon is made of cheese, people will have to respect that, or just leave if they don't want to. I respect peoples opinions, even if it's a stupid one.
Jagdpanzers opinion is basicly that he is glad that JPM is out of F1. You'll have to respect that opinion rather than flame him.
I haven't even thought of praising Jagdpanzer. If you want to claim the moon is made of cheese, claim it, go ahead.
In this community people are allowed to give their opinions. If your opinion is that the moon is made of cheese, people will have to respect that, or just leave if they don't want to. I respect peoples opinions, even if it's a stupid one.
Jagdpanzers opinion is basicly that he is glad that JPM is out of F1. You'll have to respect that opinion rather than flame him.
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Nickv Wrote:
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> So if I claim that the moon is made of cheese, you would praise me for
> it too?
>
> I haven't even thought of praising Jagdpanzer. If you want to claim
> the moon is made of cheese, claim it, go ahead.
Did it look like I was asking for permission?
> In this community people are allowed to give their opinions.
Yes, that is why, opinions are being challenged, not edited or deleted.
> If your opinion is that the moon is made of cheese, people will have to
> respect that, or just leave if they don't want to. I respect peoples
> opinions, even if it's a stupid one.
Oh really?
> Jagdpanzers opinion is basicly that he is glad that JPM is out of F1.
> You'll have to respect that opinion rather than flame him.
Who is flaming him?
It's only after we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything.
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> So if I claim that the moon is made of cheese, you would praise me for
> it too?
>
> I haven't even thought of praising Jagdpanzer. If you want to claim
> the moon is made of cheese, claim it, go ahead.
Did it look like I was asking for permission?
> In this community people are allowed to give their opinions.
Yes, that is why, opinions are being challenged, not edited or deleted.
> If your opinion is that the moon is made of cheese, people will have to
> respect that, or just leave if they don't want to. I respect peoples
> opinions, even if it's a stupid one.
Oh really?
> Jagdpanzers opinion is basicly that he is glad that JPM is out of F1.
> You'll have to respect that opinion rather than flame him.
Who is flaming him?
It's only after we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything.
| Registered: 19 years ago |
Actually many things posted were not opinions. They were posted as facts, in contradicition to the real world
Jagdpanzer Wrote:
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> And contrary to what you and some other "experts" here have stated, I
> have seen no evidence that RBR EVER offered him a contract. JPM would
> have leapt at the chance to drive for them, and said as much in a
> recent interview in F1 Racing. RBR didn't want JPM because they know
> they have a better driver and known quantity in DC and that there is
> more potential upswing for a younger driver to take over the second
> seat behind him than for JPM to destroy 3 or 4 cars over the course of
> the season.
False.
Jagdpanzer Wrote:
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> He wore out his welcome at McLaren, Ferrari doesn't want him, Pat
> Symonds from Renault didn't think JPM worthy of driving for them,
> Honda is full, RBR didn't want him, so whats left? Williams? Midland?
> Super Aguri?
False.
These are poor, incorrect excuses to bash Montoya. they are posted as fact, when they are fiction. Why should i respect this?
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Jagdpanzer Wrote:
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> And contrary to what you and some other "experts" here have stated, I
> have seen no evidence that RBR EVER offered him a contract. JPM would
> have leapt at the chance to drive for them, and said as much in a
> recent interview in F1 Racing. RBR didn't want JPM because they know
> they have a better driver and known quantity in DC and that there is
> more potential upswing for a younger driver to take over the second
> seat behind him than for JPM to destroy 3 or 4 cars over the course of
> the season.
False.
Jagdpanzer Wrote:
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> He wore out his welcome at McLaren, Ferrari doesn't want him, Pat
> Symonds from Renault didn't think JPM worthy of driving for them,
> Honda is full, RBR didn't want him, so whats left? Williams? Midland?
> Super Aguri?
False.
These are poor, incorrect excuses to bash Montoya. they are posted as fact, when they are fiction. Why should i respect this?
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Because he missed the fact he was offered a seat at RedBull, he isn't a troll or something.
Stating facts that contradict the facts posted in this thread, and doing it in such an aggressive and disrespectfull manner is trolling. It was posted without reading the thread, and with no knowledge, in order to annoy people in the thread. Fiction was posted as fast and no attempt was made to recongise the truth. That is trolling.
Respect is earned, not given.
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/10/2006 11:56AM by DaveEllis.
Stating facts that contradict the facts posted in this thread, and doing it in such an aggressive and disrespectfull manner is trolling. It was posted without reading the thread, and with no knowledge, in order to annoy people in the thread. Fiction was posted as fast and no attempt was made to recongise the truth. That is trolling.
Respect is earned, not given.
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/10/2006 11:56AM by DaveEllis.
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Nickv Wrote:
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> Did it look like I was asking for permission?
>
> Did I look like I was giving it?
>
> Oh really?
>
> Yes, really.
>
> Who is flaming him?
>
> I get the intention DaveEllis is/was doing it. Because he missed the
> fact he was offered a seat at RedBull, he isn't a troll or something.
Oh come on...
It's only after we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything.
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> Did it look like I was asking for permission?
>
> Did I look like I was giving it?
>
> Oh really?
>
> Yes, really.
>
> Who is flaming him?
>
> I get the intention DaveEllis is/was doing it. Because he missed the
> fact he was offered a seat at RedBull, he isn't a troll or something.
Oh come on...
It's only after we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything.
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Hope not. But to give pedro a chance would be awsome he deserves one, but then JPm deserves to leave in a respectable (lol) fashion.Who-ever says JPM is @#$%&, has been @#$%& is quite wrong, Nick is right, its just that Kimi is immense!
"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL
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chet Wrote:
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> @Nick - perhaps you can earn respect by contradicting yourself
oh Chet, get a grip. Find the references to JPM's press conference on Speed TV, and you will see that Dave has been doing nothing but quoting and referencing statements from JPM. If you are finding contradictions in that, then it is either because JPM is contradiction himself, or because you are constructing contradictions where there are none to have a go at Dave.
It's only after we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything.
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> @Nick - perhaps you can earn respect by contradicting yourself
oh Chet, get a grip. Find the references to JPM's press conference on Speed TV, and you will see that Dave has been doing nothing but quoting and referencing statements from JPM. If you are finding contradictions in that, then it is either because JPM is contradiction himself, or because you are constructing contradictions where there are none to have a go at Dave.
It's only after we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything.
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Nickv Wrote:
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> That just rubbish. You ask silly questions then you get silly answers.
And here I thought we all had to respect each others opinion, and that pointing out rubbish was disrespectful... I guess I was wrong.
It's only after we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything.
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> That just rubbish. You ask silly questions then you get silly answers.
And here I thought we all had to respect each others opinion, and that pointing out rubbish was disrespectful... I guess I was wrong.
It's only after we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything.
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