Medals not points

The whole medal system is a load of crap, surely the drive who is the most consistent should win? Take Driver A, he wins 8 races then crashes/ finishes outside the points. Then Driver B wins 5 races and is consistently on the podium. Surely he should win the WDC? Nah, It would go to the driver who won 8 races and crashed out the rest...

Not fair IMO!

For the love of god Bernie, don't have a medal system :_:

See, I wouldn't have a problem with the title going to the person who won the most races, regardless of other results, but then I do come more from the Nigel Mansell school of motoring, so I wouldn't have a problem with someone crashing out in half the races as long as they win the other half!

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Actually rather than the current system of 10-8-6-5 etc, go back to the system of 10-6-4-3 etc, or some equivalent...This isn't me being stuck in the 90s, the reasons I'd support this are:

1. It'd be the halfway point between those who decide that that the championship should go to the driver with most victories and those who say it should be the driver with most points.

2. I think it'd improve racing. Ever been in a situation in a championship in GP3/GP4, where you're in the title race, your running second at a grand prix and you've decided "screw it, 8 points for 2nd, better than pushing for first and making a mistake." But with 6 points for second, it might entice some to go for an over-taking manoeuvre.

Thats absolutely TRUE

And been said 1000 times before :P

Really? I thought I was the first to come up with that theory! I was going to publish a scientific pamphlet on it and all....

yes, but i still think 12-8-6-5... is a better option

and i know that has been said lots of times as well

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X (@ed24f1)

What back fires on racing is what we saw last year.

Lewis did not need to pass kimi at Spa but went for it messed up and got a huge penalty. He would have got 8 points but went for the ten and got 4th place in the end.

Same with Massa in Japan, tried to repass Lewis messed up and got a penalty. And Lewis in Japan again made a mistake and got a penalty.

Yes the above are all stupid errors but errors will happen and have happened, you either want people to risk a move or you dont. Last year said to me they would rather drivers not risk it and they will give a penalty if a driver gets it wrong.

If they want drivers to race they have to allow for cock ups just like they used to. What is the point in trying to pass knowing if you make a mistake you could get a drive through.

If there were medals instead of points in all seasons it could be a lot of changes on drivers championship, it would be

# Michael Schumacher: 7 (1994, 1995, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004).
# Juan Manuel Fangio: 5 (1951, 1954, 1955, 1956, 1957).
# Alain Prost: 5 (1981, 1983, 1984, 1985, 1993).
# Jim Clark: 4 (1963, 1964, 1965, 1967).
# Ayrton Senna: 4 (1988, 1989, 1990, 1991).
# Jack Brabham: 3 (1959, 1960, 1966).
# Jackie Stewart: 3 (1969, 1971, 1973).
# Nigel Mansell: 3 (1986, 1987, 1992).

And in 1958 champion would be Stirling Moss
In 1977 Mario Andretti
In 1979 Alan Jones
In 1981 Alain Prost
In 1982 Didier Pironi
In 1983 and 84 Alain prost
In 1986 and 87 Nigel Mansell
In 1989 Ayrton Senna
In 2008 Felipe Massa


With the things like that the team Brabham with Bernie ecclestone as leader could never won a championship
Nelson Piquet would lost his 3 titles and Niki Lauda only would keep 1975 crown
Stirling Moss would be the first British Champion. Clark would won 4 titles instead of 2. Andretti and Jones would won 2 titles each instead of 1, Prost would won 5 instead of 4 and in different years except last 2, Mansell would won 3 titles, and Ayrton would won 4 titles

Looking the battles for the championship, in 22 seasons would be different... 14 shorter (1955, 1970, 1978, 1987, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 2000, 2001, 2003 y 2004) and 8 longer (1973, 1977, 1979, 1980, 1990, 1991, 2001 y 2005)


So, as I and most of you guys said... ITS A STUPID IDEA





Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/01/2009 04:28AM by Frantic.

The FIA seem to be behind it now. Were doomed. They have issued a report (sorry if its already been mentioned in this thread) that states that there would have been 13 other WC's by now had the medal system been in place all along.

Im sorry, but this is just total BULLSH!T. Those championships were being fought for with points, IF there had been medals at stake, it would have been fought differently.

This is the lamest justification of a flawed system.

No-one will question Bernie's quite obvious dymensia until he consistantly soils himself in public. May that day come soon......

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hopefully they will use the results of the survey on the F1 website, providing that the answer is 'no' to medals of course

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X (@ed24f1)

Maybe people will love this idea, but I really don't understand why F1 feels the need to revamp itself every year. What the hell was wrong with the points system? It just gave us one of the most exciting finales in years. I guess we'd better change it then...

and one of the whole points (pardon the pun) of this plan was to try and stimulate overtaking, but if the new regulations work, there shouldn't be a problem

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X (@ed24f1)

the teams have now suggested a great alternative to the medals system:

12-9-7-5-4-3-2-1

better, but i think 12-8-6-5 would have been just as good.


they are still trying to implement this for this year as well!

[www.autosport.com]


some other potential changes;

-constructors points for fast pitstops
-race lengths reduced by 20 minutes or 50km
-announcing fuel loads before the race to the public

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/05/2009 01:20PM by SchueyFan.

I agree, 12 - 8 etc would be much more of an incentive, but the idea of 12 points would solve alot of the issues without a need for an ineffective medals system.

Oh, and if they start reducing the length of races then thats a disaster, you cannot start changing that, hour and a half for a race is a good amount imo

yes, i don't see why they have to change everything. they are talking about changing qualifying as well. at least wait and see how the new regulations affect the racing!

they are adding incentive for drivers to push for position later in the race, but they are shortening the race at the same time. it seems quite contradictory.

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X (@ed24f1)

Massa is stupid for saying no one cares about the last 12 laps.

Alot changed last year in the last few laps. Hungry Massa lost, Spa Lewis and kimi raced, Brazil say no more lol.

Also I just read the report, what is the point in giving out the fuel loads that cars will start with. Thats part of the race not knowing when people will stop.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/05/2009 01:40PM by marcl.

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> No-one will question Bernie's quite obvious
> dymensia until he consistantly soils himself in
> public. May that day come soon......

Mega-lol at that

Bah, go back to the 2002 rules and add the 2009 aero to the cars and everything will be OK

i worked out the 2008 standings with the 2009 proposed points system.

surprisingly, the only change in the positions of the whole field (both drivers and constructors) is Massa, who gains one point on Lewis and therefore becomes champion on countback.

L.HAMILTON 111
F.MASSA 111
K.RAIKKONEN 84
R.KUBICA 80
F.ALONSO 65
N.HEIDFELD 60
H.KOVALAINEN 56
S.VETTEL 37
J.TRULLI 32
T.GLOCK 25
M.WEBBER 21
N.PIQUET Jr 19
N.ROSBERG 18
R.BARRICHELLO 12
K.NAKAJIMA 9
D.COULTHARD 9
S.BOURDAIS 4
J.BUTTON 4

FERRARI 195
McLAREN 167
BMW SAUBER 140
RENAULT 84
TOYOTA 57
TORO ROSSO 41
RED BULL 30
WILLIAMS 27
HONDA 16
FORCE INDIA 0

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