Medals not points

Bruninho Wrote:
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> Well, from a minor/midfield team point of view,
> I'm against the medals system. It would be the end
> of these teams in F1, I mean what can they get
> from a 4th place in this system?!???
>
> How would you measure toyota against honda if both
> teams hadnt scored podiums in a season? or RBR
> against STR? that's one of the problems in that
> system.

Erm, the constructors championship would remain as it does, or did I just imagine that?

I agree that the points system needs to stay though.

gav Wrote:

> Erm, the constructors championship would remain as
> it does, or did I just imagine that?

That is correct.

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But the point still stands, i mean, what would be Alonsos motivation @ Renault, or kubicas @ BMW, fighting for fifth and 4th places when McLaren and Ferrari arent doing mistakes?

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What you imply is that they wouldn't fight because they know they can't win. But they knew they couldn't win this year either. A driver wants to win. 4th or 5th in the WDC isn't good enough.

Nickv Wrote:
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> Frantic schreef:
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> > If Bernie wants something like that he shoyld
> > think about recovering the 70s/80s point
> system,
> > this is, the best 10 results, or 8 best results
> > for the 9 first GP and 8 best results for the
> last
> > 9 GP.
>
>
> No, no, no, no. That would be as bad as medals, if
> not worse. Then the driver with the most points
> still has a chance of not being champion, just
> like with medals.

Thats for I said "medals and that system is a @#$%. Anyway I think they should go back for the traditional points system (9-6-4-3-2-1) or at least the 1989-2002 system (10-6-4-3-2-1)

Frantic Wrote:
>Anyway I think they should go back for the
> traditional points system (9-6-4-3-2-1) or at
> least the 1989-2002 system (10-6-4-3-2-1)

I think exactly the same. And with that system the number of wins would have more influence on the WDC than the current one offers, as Bernie wants with those stupid medals.

Actually, I calculated how would the final drivers standings from this season would be with the 1989-2002 system, and with it Massa would be the champion with a 3 points lead over Hamilton. And for Hamilton to be the champion he would have to finish the last race at least in 3rd if Massa won the race (as he did). So, with the 1989-2002 system it, for Hamilton to be crowned as WDC this season, he would have to benefit from a spin from Glock, Vettel, and Raikonnen.

Cheers

Can´t the FIA put a "voting time" in the Official F1 Website for the points system? The public has to decide!!!


EDIT: POWER TO THE PEOPLE!!!!





Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/01/2008 11:32PM by Frantic.

Racer#73 Wrote:
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> Frantic Wrote:
> >Anyway I think they should go back for the
> > traditional points system (9-6-4-3-2-1) or at
> > least the 1989-2002 system (10-6-4-3-2-1)
>
> I think exactly the same. And with that system the
> number of wins would have more influence on the
> WDC than the current one offers, as Bernie wants
> with those stupid medals.
>
> Actually, I calculated how would the final drivers
> standings from this season would be with the
> 1989-2002 system, and with it Massa would be the
> champion with a 3 points lead over Hamilton. And
> for Hamilton to be the champion he would have to
> finish the last race at least in 3rd if Massa won
> the race (as he did). So, with the 1989-2002
> system it, for Hamilton to be crowned as WDC this
> season, he would have to benefit from a spin from
> Glock, Vettel, and Raikonnen.
>
> Cheers


Actually you cant say that.

The drivers does their races and strategies with the points system in their mind. See the example that i posted in previous page about the Monza Wet race. They'd have had a completely different approaches to that race in terms of what they need to keep racing for the championship.

You cant just look at the last race with a different points system, you need to think about the whole championship (and how the drivers would cope with that) as one.

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Exactly, if LH had to finish 3rd McLaren would have approached the entire weekend differently than as they did having to finish 5th.

Am I right in saying though that under Bernie's proposal, the idea continues right down through the field in that you count the number of fourths, number of fifths, so on right down to number of 17ths to determine championship order? That would in fact encourage drivers right through the field to continue to push, as currently a 9th place counts the same as a 19th - i.e. zero. Shouldn't a 9th, a fraction of a second of a final points position count for more towards championship order than a three laps down 19th place?

here is a Q&A with Bernie about medals

[www.formula1.com]


however, more significantly perhaps, there is a poll at the bottom of the page asking 'So what do you think of Bernie's idea? Tell us what you think...'. This could be part of the market research that was suggested in the cost-cutting announcement, so make sure you vote if you have an opinion!

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GOOD! I voted against his stupid idea.

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I voted yes!

Why? Its a stupid idea which can end the title battle by the mid-season. And a driver with 3 wins and 0 silver medals will win the title against a driver with 2 wins and 9 second places. *remembers of Keke Rosberg winning the 1982 title with 1 race win* This is total rubbish! The driver A would stop winning after seeing how many races are left for his rival B to win in order to get the title. He'd be rewarded with the title despite of not being the most consistant driver throughout the season.

It's a STUPID idea, Bernie.

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/12/2008 07:23PM by Bruninho.

Of course I didn't vote yes, I just said so because I knew some baboon would believe it

Bruninho Wrote:
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> Why? Its a stupid idea which can end the title
> battle by the mid-season.

This is a silly and self-defeating objection to the medal system. If you get enough medals to seal the championship mid-season, then you will win that championship with any point system you propose - except those systems that give serious rewards for something else than winning, or directly punish those that do. And for the record, I voted NO on the medal idea.

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It's only after we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything.

Let's see. If we have 18 races and a driver would win the first 10, he'll win.

Convert that to the current points system. He'd have 100 points. If driver B ends second all the time, he'd have 80 points. Only 20 points difference, something that can easily be overcome in 8 races.

In a system that would be rewarding second place less, for example the old system, he'd have 60 points. That'd be a 40 point gap, hard to close, yes, but still possible. I'd rather have some hope that that driver might actually make it than having to see that the championship is actually secured in race 10.

All the reasons why Bernie wants this would by solved by awarding more points than 10 to the winner. What an idiot.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/12/2008 08:51PM by elemental.

just have it 10 6 4 3 2 1 and allow pitstops and keep the race length what it is and have all the cars modelled like the 1997 cars for the LOVE of god

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iCeMaN pAuL Wrote:
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> just have it 10 6 4 3 2 1 and allow pitstops and
> keep the race length what it is and have all the
> cars modelled like the 1997 cars for the LOVE of
> god

You can still get devices to play videos.

gav Wrote:
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> iCeMaN pAuL Wrote:
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> > just have it 10 6 4 3 2 1 and allow pitstops
> and
> > keep the race length what it is and have all
> the
> > cars modelled like the 1997 cars for the LOVE
> of
> > god
>
> You can still get devices to play videos.

And what if he wants to watch it LIVE?

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