Codemasters' F1 game discussion
Posted by Rodrigo007
GP4 was fine for it's time, but it was also never a proper simulation. What GP4 is brilliant at is bridging the gap between arcade and simulation. It handles approximately like what a racing car should handle like, but without all the depth and details which really make a simulation. It isn't an arcade game, but by no standards (even in 2001) can it be called a proper simulation.
GP4 came 3 years later than Grand Prix Legends, which was first released in 1998. Whilst it is finally beginning to show its age, that is still considered one of the best simulations around, and certainly one of the best of all time.
There is nothing wrong with treating GP4 for what it is. Semi-sim, that does what you'd expect a racing car to do, without being overly difficult and excluding it from the wider audience.
This Codemasters game. Anyone who expects realism is either quite gullible, or killing themselves IMO. Of course it'll be an arcade game. The point is, as long as its a FUN arcade game, then there is nothing wrong with it. Arcade games can be awesome (Flatout, F1 97), just as well as rubbish (F1 98). I'd love them to go out and produce the best simulation ever made, but I certainly don't expect them to. Being arcade doesn't make it a bad game, being a bad game makes it a bad game. The Wii version was always going to be the "worst" of the 3, for reasons we've already gone over in this thread. I'm surprised they even bothered with a Wii version when the target audience is PS3 and 360. Modern Warfare 2 and GTA4 have proven you don't need the Wii to bring in the sales.
Edit: My GPL reference was more to do with the assumption that I wanted arcade racing games, despite not having posted an opinion on those. As someone with a negative GPL Rank, a rFactor mod out and a Pro License in iRacing, I think it is safe to say, I prefer my simulations.
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/21/2009 04:12PM by DaveEllis.
GP4 came 3 years later than Grand Prix Legends, which was first released in 1998. Whilst it is finally beginning to show its age, that is still considered one of the best simulations around, and certainly one of the best of all time.
There is nothing wrong with treating GP4 for what it is. Semi-sim, that does what you'd expect a racing car to do, without being overly difficult and excluding it from the wider audience.
This Codemasters game. Anyone who expects realism is either quite gullible, or killing themselves IMO. Of course it'll be an arcade game. The point is, as long as its a FUN arcade game, then there is nothing wrong with it. Arcade games can be awesome (Flatout, F1 97), just as well as rubbish (F1 98). I'd love them to go out and produce the best simulation ever made, but I certainly don't expect them to. Being arcade doesn't make it a bad game, being a bad game makes it a bad game. The Wii version was always going to be the "worst" of the 3, for reasons we've already gone over in this thread. I'm surprised they even bothered with a Wii version when the target audience is PS3 and 360. Modern Warfare 2 and GTA4 have proven you don't need the Wii to bring in the sales.
Edit: My GPL reference was more to do with the assumption that I wanted arcade racing games, despite not having posted an opinion on those. As someone with a negative GPL Rank, a rFactor mod out and a Pro License in iRacing, I think it is safe to say, I prefer my simulations.
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/21/2009 04:12PM by DaveEllis.
Didnt a former F1 driver once say, if F1 in 1967 was anything like GPL the whole field would have died?
"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL
"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL
The only real problem with gpl is it has not enough low speed grip so feel like you're on ice at low speeds and wonder why there's so little grip when going slow.
Also i believe that had to camber almost all the corners (if only slightly) in order to give the illusion of realistic grip levels, even if the corners weren't cambered in real life - using the track to mask the physics. Not that the tracks are hugely accurate - although it must be immensely tricky to do if you are under strict time constraints on circuits that don't exist anymore.
Mods correct the low speed grip (though somehow it feels like there's too much now at least in the 65 mod). A better slipstream effect is also added making tow come into play more - sadly it seems a bit overdone to me in that you can make big mistakes and still get enough tow to catch up again from 200/300 metres or so away at monza (i don't really know the distance and can't judge them well, but let's just say it seems a lot - so much so that it is very difficult to make a break away / impossible unless the person chasing you crashes - you can even stick with and pass people much faster than you due to it).
On the subject of gp4, the game was good when it was gp2 (and probably gp1, i dont really have many memories of that) but the game itself hasn't changed at all in physics really - it's the same game with prettier graphics and rain. That's why it's so basic in that regard.
Mind you, you can tell iracing is built on gpl - although with improvements (unlike gp4).
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Also i believe that had to camber almost all the corners (if only slightly) in order to give the illusion of realistic grip levels, even if the corners weren't cambered in real life - using the track to mask the physics. Not that the tracks are hugely accurate - although it must be immensely tricky to do if you are under strict time constraints on circuits that don't exist anymore.
Mods correct the low speed grip (though somehow it feels like there's too much now at least in the 65 mod). A better slipstream effect is also added making tow come into play more - sadly it seems a bit overdone to me in that you can make big mistakes and still get enough tow to catch up again from 200/300 metres or so away at monza (i don't really know the distance and can't judge them well, but let's just say it seems a lot - so much so that it is very difficult to make a break away / impossible unless the person chasing you crashes - you can even stick with and pass people much faster than you due to it).
On the subject of gp4, the game was good when it was gp2 (and probably gp1, i dont really have many memories of that) but the game itself hasn't changed at all in physics really - it's the same game with prettier graphics and rain. That's why it's so basic in that regard.
Mind you, you can tell iracing is built on gpl - although with improvements (unlike gp4).
H E L L O I downloaded F1 2009 for the iPhone yesterday and graphically its alright. Just the controls are downright awful, using the accelerometre for turning is not practical in the slightest.
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ok so iv now got a wii and the f1 09 game with steering wheel. Its terrible.
Just nothing like the realism of gp4. i cant seem to find any good points, ok its funny to see piquet near the back most of the time
Just nothing like the realism of gp4. i cant seem to find any good points, ok its funny to see piquet near the back most of the time
I've seen some iPhone apps which have a translucent overlay of a d-pad and buttons - that seems to be the best way of doing it. The accelerometer control is generally gimmick-tastic 
Nothing really works for racing games on the iPhone imo. The accelerometre makes it hard to drive in a straight line and the d-pad just doesn't work for me.
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Dunno if you guys have seen this
Races: 163 - Wins: 23 - Pole Positions: 24 - Fastest Laps: 22
Season 9: Constructors' Champions
Races: 163 - Wins: 23 - Pole Positions: 24 - Fastest Laps: 22
Season 9: Constructors' Champions
"F1 2009 Wii - How it should have been"
What? You mean it isn't?! Hardcore F1 enthusiasts will be so disappointed
What? You mean it isn't?! Hardcore F1 enthusiasts will be so disappointed
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