GPGSL S7 [SEASON COMPLETED!!!] Rule Changes Announced For S8.

Posted by GPGSL 
That depends on who is running it.



5 x WCC - S5, S6, S7, S8, S10 | 4 x WDC - S5 Nick van der Voort ; S6, S7, S8 Ed Greenhalgh | 2 x WTC - S6 Stuart Ingers; S8 Andrei Sevastian
Sorry guys. I am here. I fudged the car livery (as mentioned ages ago) and spent bits and pieces of time patching it up. I did ask if last years car could be used until it was solved.

My laptop went corrupt on me mid December too, takes ages to boot up and tries to reboot every 45 mins or so. I didn't even get time to fix that over Christmas. All in all, I have really low motivation for the GPGSL at the moment and things outside of this. It has gotten a little bit dull with the deja-vu on the racing front too. Same old, same old.


Jenson drives it like he owns it; Lewis drives it like he stole it
danm Wrote:
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> Sorry guys. I am here. I fudged the car livery (as
> mentioned ages ago) and spent bits and pieces of
> time patching it up. I did ask if last years car
> could be used until it was solved.
>
> My laptop went corrupt on me mid December too,
> takes ages to boot up and tries to reboot every 45
> mins or so. I didn't even get time to fix that
> over Christmas. All in all, I have really low
> motivation for the GPGSL at the moment and things
> outside of this. It has gotten a little bit dull
> with the deja-vu on the racing front too. Same
> old, same old.


In my view there is a simple long term fix for this. Stop new teams being able to buy old ones. With greatest respect to AMR although they are dominating at the moment they are only able to do so because of the perf of the team that they took over. If we make new teams start with the base perf I think it would shuffle the pack about, and upwards, every time a team left. This would also keep the racing fresh and competition high for the top drivers. Plus there would be more of an emphasis, and a feeling of success in building up your own teams perf rating.

GPGSL - Christel VXR team Boss S6-S8, S12 Onwards



Sorry to hear about the lack of motivation mate

I know what you mean in regards to the GPGSL, I was very close to quitting at the close of season 5

I think Chris raises a very valid point in regards to new teams, not to criticise either Mal of Stu but both their teams had instant success due to the nature of the teams they took over

While Snake Motorsports have slogged away at the rear for three seasons, and were awarded with their best ever if I'm correct in Melbourne



Races: 163 - Wins: 23 - Pole Positions: 24 - Fastest Laps: 22
Season 9: Constructors' Champions
Ferrari2007 Wrote:
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> Sorry to hear about the lack of motivation mate
>
> I know what you mean in regards to the GPGSL, I
> was very close to quitting at the close of season
> 5
>
> I think Chris raises a very valid point in regards
> to new teams, not to criticise either Mal of Stu
> but both their teams had instant success due to
> the nature of the teams they took over
>
> While Snake MotoSrsports have slogged away at the
> rear for three seasons, and were awarded with
> their best ever if I'm correct in Melbourne

That's exactly how I see it plus I don't think it would be that much of an difficult rule change to implement, especially as nobody is likely to leave anytime soon. The effect would be felt gradually over a couple of years though.

GPGSL - Christel VXR team Boss S6-S8, S12 Onwards



CaptinFranko schrieb:
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> That's exactly how I see it plus I don't think it
> would be that much of an difficult rule change to
> implement, especially as nobody is likely to leave
> anytime soon. The effect would be felt gradually
> over a couple of years though.

Well, yes and no. I agree with you that new teams shouldn't completely take over the perf of the old team as the result of this is what we have now. However, only making new teams enter with the base perf doesn't solve the problem either as only when the top teams like AMR, TSS and a little bit behind MPR and TNR drop out, this all takes effect. As long as they stay in, nothing will change as they already have this perf.

However, there is another point that mustn't be forgotten, and that is the influence of the driver perf. At the beginning of a season the team perfs are rather close together. This is the reason why at the start of a season also middle-field and back-teams can fight for good points. However, good drivers naturally get seats at teams which competed well in the last season. That is, the drivers with the highest perfs normally drive for AMR and TSS. And this makes the difference over the season, as they bring home lots of points and by that increase the team perf. It's not surprising that mostly only AMR and TSS reach the perf cap over the season. And with such a combination, these teams become unbeatable over the season.

Having already said that the team perfs at the start of a season are very much together, I see 2 possibilities to bring the field a little bit closer again (though I already mentioned the second one and nearly got smashed for it):

1. Make the perfs grow slower. Don't give the same amount of perf points as Championship points. That is, for example give only 12,11,10,9... points instead of 15,12,10...
2. Give an 'age-bonus'. In the first 3 seasons, drivers get a bonus of +20 points at the end of the season BEFORE the perfs are divided again to calculate the Starter Perf for the next season. Like a boost of experience. For the next 3 season they don't get any boost anymore. And for every season after that, they get a negative boost of -20 (the same way as described above) to reflect aging. A good driver will still though make a positive performance increase for still a couple of years, but yet it gives a chance for younger drivers to establish themselves at top teams. And when a driver feels he's too old (his perf decreasing too much, for example) he can either bring a team in if he has the chance, or start with a fresh perf.

And now...beat me again ;-)


GPGSL : Team Owner of 'Maverick Track Performance' (MTP)
GPGSL Gold Coast Grand Prix, Surfers Paradise.

Race Day (Part 1)

Here we go for round two of season 7 of the GPGSL. Reigning champion and series leader after his win in the first round at Melbourne, sits on pole. Ross Cartwright is 2nd and Rodrigo Vilela is 3rd.

Stand by for action!


The pack sprints down to the first corner and Cartwright edges into the lead.


Cartwright takes the corner.


Out of the first corners and the SCR man is leading, Greenhalgh is 2nd and Vilela 3rd.


Elleker in 15th gets the Scala Chicane wrong.


But survives.


Lap 2 and Vilela challenges Greenhalgh.


He fails and now comes under pressure from Pedersen in 4th place.


Top 5: 1st Cartwright, 2nd Greenhalgh, 3rd Vilela, 4th Pedersen, 5th Jalving.


Karjalainen catches the kerb on entry to the Scala Chicane.


And hits the wall and becomes the race's first retirement.


Rodriguez sets fastest lap.


Ed closes the gap slightly.


Aleksander looking for a way past Somogyi.


But the Hungarian holds him off.


Mac Racing's Hinz just clips the wall but no damage is done.


Thomas locks his breaks.


Aleksander tries again.


This time he makes it stick.


5 laps into the race, lets look at the positions.




Greenhalgh grabs the fastest lap.


Vilela in 3rd.


Pedersen in 4th place.


5th is Jalving.


Maverick in 6th position.


Cartwright takes fastest lap again.


Aleksander challenges Worseling for 8th position.


Side by side into the first turn.


They touch and Marko gets airbourne!


Oh no! The Slovenian is our 2nd retirement.
Will Worseling get a penalty from the stewards for causing an avoidable accident?


Don't be daft! This is GP4!


Rodriguez falls foul of the Scala Chicane.


But avoids trouble.


10 laps complete.




Elleker takes the fastest lap. The Christel can of whoop-ass is holding together, so far.


Maverick brushes the wall, but continues without losing a place.


The first three seem to be closing up with each other.


Greenhalgh is much nearer to the leader Cartwright.


Elleker takes Johnson.



Warrington gets it all wrong, he really is struggling compared to his team mate Greenhalgh.


Pitstops begin as Vilela heads down the pit entrance.


15 laps done.




Part 2 later.



Race Director: Ernie B. Ecclescake


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Maverick team radio

John: "Whoooo...@#$%& that was close. Is the car alright?"
Engineer: "Data is looking good. Does it feel normal?"

John: "I have a slight vibration in the wheel, but I think so far I can keep it."
Engineer: "Okay, we'll keep an eye on that. And we'll give you a bit more front wing at the pitstop. Come in in round XXXX"

John: "Acknowledged!"


GPGSL : Team Owner of 'Maverick Track Performance' (MTP)
Nice for TSS to get so many mentions in one message :-P

First can I point out that we are hardly dominating so far this season so this should be proof that it's not that easy to stay at the front. It only seems to be Ed that's dominating so maybe it's just the drivers performances that need to be adjusted start of season.

As 'top teams' we do serve a purpose on helping people new to the series. TSS has given many drivers the chance to compete competitively on the race drivers championship. These testers with high performances can, if they are patient in the test series, help the lower teams to then move their way up the field.

I'd also like to point out a lot of work goes in to keeping a team at the front. It's not easy negotiating drivers each season and applying boosts sensibly and strategically.



JohnMaverick Wrote:
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> CaptinFranko schrieb:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > That's exactly how I see it plus I don't think
> it
> > would be that much of an difficult rule change
> to
> > implement, especially as nobody is likely to
> leave
> > anytime soon. The effect would be felt
> gradually
> > over a couple of years though.
>
> Well, yes and no. I agree with you that new teams
> shouldn't completely take over the perf of the old
> team as the result of this is what we have now.
> However, only making new teams enter with the base
> perf doesn't solve the problem either as only when
> the top teams like AMR, TSS and a little bit
> behind MPR and TNR drop out, this all takes
> effect. As long as they stay in, nothing will
> change as they already have this perf.
>
> However, there is another point that mustn't be
> forgotten, and that is the influence of the driver
> perf. At the beginning of a season the team perfs
> are rather close together. This is the reason why
> at the start of a season also middle-field and
> back-teams can fight for good points. However,
> good drivers naturally get seats at teams which
> competed well in the last season. That is, the
> drivers with the highest perfs normally drive for
> AMR and TSS. And this makes the difference over
> the season, as they bring home lots of points and
> by that increase the team perf. It's not
> surprising that mostly only AMR and TSS reach the
> perf cap over the season. And with such a
> combination, these teams become unbeatable over
> the season.
>
> Having already said that the team perfs at the
> start of a season are very much together, I see 2
> possibilities to bring the field a little bit
> closer again (though I already mentioned the
> second one and nearly got smashed for it):
>
> 1. Make the perfs grow slower. Don't give the same
> amount of perf points as Championship points. That
> is, for example give only 12,11,10,9... points
> instead of 15,12,10...
> 2. Give an 'age-bonus'. In the first 3 seasons,
> drivers get a bonus of +20 points at the end of
> the season BEFORE the perfs are divided again to
> calculate the Starter Perf for the next season.
> Like a boost of experience. For the next 3 season
> they don't get any boost anymore. And for every
> season after that, they get a negative boost of
> -20 (the same way as described above) to reflect
> aging. A good driver will still though make a
> positive performance increase for still a couple
> of years, but yet it gives a chance for younger
> drivers to establish themselves at top teams. And
> when a driver feels he's too old (his perf
> decreasing too much, for example) he can either
> bring a team in if he has the chance, or start
> with a fresh perf.
>
> And now...beat me again ;-)



Seems even more interesting than the testers' race ;)
it looked like I had a storming through the field race on cards, before the tangle.
oh well.



GPGSL career;
Current team: Team ShadowSubaru, Previous teams: MPR, Minardi
starts:100 Wins: 12, Podiums: 34, Fastest Laps: 14, poles: 12 Points: 708
winner of Belgian GP (s1), Australian GP (s1), Canadian GP (S1), Brazilian GP(s4, s5), Hungarian GP(s3), Italian GP(s3), French GP (s5,s7), Monaco GP (s4) and USA GP
@JM, having played Football Manager I like the idea about aging players, hehe.
anyway, perhaps bigger - yes, ridicolous drivers and team - boostS could help, too.
my 2 cents

edit:spelling and grammar



GPGSL career;
Current team: Team ShadowSubaru, Previous teams: MPR, Minardi
starts:100 Wins: 12, Podiums: 34, Fastest Laps: 14, poles: 12 Points: 708
winner of Belgian GP (s1), Australian GP (s1), Canadian GP (S1), Brazilian GP(s4, s5), Hungarian GP(s3), Italian GP(s3), French GP (s5,s7), Monaco GP (s4) and USA GP



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 01/11/2012 12:56AM by BAR#10.
brunoboi schrieb:
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> Nice for TSS to get so many mentions in one
> message :-P
>
> First can I point out that we are hardly
> dominating so far this season so this should be
> proof that it's not that easy to stay at the
> front. It only seems to be Ed that's dominating so
> maybe it's just the drivers performances that need
> to be adjusted start of season.
>
> As 'top teams' we do serve a purpose on helping
> people new to the series. TSS has given many
> drivers the chance to compete competitively on the
> race drivers championship. These testers with high
> performances can, if they are patient in the test
> series, help the lower teams to then move their
> way up the field.
>
> I'd also like to point out a lot of work goes in
> to keeping a team at the front. It's not easy
> negotiating drivers each season and applying
> boosts sensibly and strategically.

Just to get things straight, I never claimed that there wouldn't be work to do for a team manager. But you can't deny that applying boosts is in the end more a less a matter of luck and that negotiations are a lot easier for a top team manager than a low team manager. So, it's not that other team bosses wouldn't have to do the same work as well.

And I also agree that top teams play an important role in driver education, that is as long as they really go to take a low- or middle-class race seat after a while and don't stay in the top team tester role forever. I mean, I myself am such a case and of course it was great for my career to start at a team like Velox/AMR.

And despite that, we're actually totally on the same level. I also don't think that the team performances need that much of a change, despite maybe the point I've written in my original post. But the real point to make a change is at the driver performances...in one way or the other.


GPGSL : Team Owner of 'Maverick Track Performance' (MTP)
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Stats: 139 Starts / 7 Wins / 9 Poles / 5 Fastest laps
Good so far for VXR, Michael is running well in 3rd place at the moment, hopefully jack can continue moving up the points after surviving his early scare.

On the other topic: I concede th point that it is just as difficult managing drivers at a "top" team as anywhere else but I'll bet you very rarely get drivers turn down a race contract to stay on as a test driver at a another team. It got to a point before the start of last season when it looked like it might have to put Connor in one car and have him push the other one around.

GPGSL - Christel VXR team Boss S6-S8, S12 Onwards



Glad to be still in the race and hopefully I can move into the top six.



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I'm a total dick. How many people can say that?
I suggest that at the end of this season we do a complete rollback, drivers and teams on starter perfs, then run for four or five seasons, and roll back again. Every fourth or fifth season do a full roll back. New or sold on teams will no longer inherit a perf. 2cents worth. :-)


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mortal Wrote:
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> I suggest that at the end of this season we do a
> complete rollback, drivers and teams on starter
> perfs, then run for four or five seasons, and roll
> back again. Every fourth or fifth season do a full
> roll back. New or sold on teams will no longer
> inherit a perf. 2cents worth. :-)

Think there may have been that suggestion before the season started - either way, it rings a bell. I think it's a good idea - only issue is the top teams may not like losing the perf they worked for.


In terms of the race so far, I'm unimpressed. Yes, I am in a solid points position, but barring a retirement for Ross, it's an opening day defeat on the cards in the GPGCL :(


Great start to the race, Ed will be pushing the whole way, just got to keep ahead during the stops and the victory will be mine.
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