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Posted by GPGSL 
Ok, an explanation on how starter perfs are calculated:

1. An average score per round is determind for every driver.
2. Each drivers average is then multiplied by the total number of rounds.
3. This total is then divided by 3.
4. All drivers then receive a further reduction calculated by the same factor that the top driver's perf is then reduced to 16065,16095.
(After dividing by 3, Ed Greenhalgh's perf would have been 16123,16155, far too high! The base perf is subtracted from this score. This is then divided by 45, the difference between 16065,16095 and 16020,16050. Race=16123-16020/45=2.2814814814, Qualy=16155-16050/45=2.3259259259.
These two reduction factors are then applied to all drivers perfs.
Example 1 - John Maverick's perf would have been 16083,16116. Therefore: Race=16083-16020/2.2814814814+16020=16047, Qualy=16078-16050/2.3259259259=16078. John's starter perf; 16047,16078.
Example 2 - Daniel Thomas' perf would have been 16044,16065. Therefore: Race=16044-16020/2.2814814814+16020=16031, Qualy=16057-16050/2.3259259259=16044. Daniel's starter perf; 16031,16044. The lower the score, the lower the reduction, thus closing up the field).


I have checked all drivers starting perfs for this season and I'm afraid I have discovered an error in Dominic Brunner's. His perf at the end of s7 was the base perf, so season 8 should have been the base perf too, in fact this was correctly calculated in the S7 perf calculator. I must have made an error when tranferring Dominic's perf to the S8 perf calculator. For 11 rounds he has run with a race perf 12 too high and a qualy perf 10 too high. I suppose he could have a reduction for the remaining 6 rounds, I will leave that decision to the members.

I apologise most profusely for my stupid error! :(



5 x WCC - S5, S6, S7, S8, S10 | 4 x WDC - S5 Nick van der Voort ; S6, S7, S8 Ed Greenhalgh | 2 x WTC - S6 Stuart Ingers; S8 Andrei Sevastian
Thank you, Stu, for the great explanation. I gotta admit, up to now even I struggled to understand the full process of it.

Such a mistake can happen, but I suggest that from the next season onwards me (or future perf testers) check this conversion as well, to reduce the risk of such mistakes.

As for Dominic's case now, I personally would suggest to clear the error (obviously) and reduce his perf by the mentioned values for the remaining races. Surely this mistake wasn't Dominic's fault, but on the other hand he hand an advantage for the first 11 races, so going with this light disadvantage for the remaining 6 is a fair deal, IMO.


GPGSL : Team Owner of 'Maverick Track Performance' (MTP)
As I said I would do, here are the screens showing what I called graphical tears in the race driver mod (doesn't do this with the testers mod).









What could be the cause for this? It only does it with the race driver's mod. It is a big problem for me, as I can't run the full qualifying and race with the tears. If I still have the same problem with the updated mods, could it be possible to use another version of the Imola circuit?




To be honest Greg, I am at a loss at to what is happening. The race mod is the same as the test mod except for different tex, so that shouldn't cause problems. Try copying the f1graphics.cfg from the test mod to the race mod.



5 x WCC - S5, S6, S7, S8, S10 | 4 x WDC - S5 Nick van der Voort ; S6, S7, S8 Ed Greenhalgh | 2 x WTC - S6 Stuart Ingers; S8 Andrei Sevastian
A tear in the space-time continuum!



Stoopid Wrote:
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> To be honest Greg, I am at a loss at to what is
> happening. The race mod is the same as the test
> mod except for different tex, so that shouldn't
> cause problems. Try copying the f1graphics.cfg
> from the test mod to the race mod.

I'll give it a try.

Tested it out, and I can confirm that it has fixed the tears. Perhaps the f1graphics.cfg was glitched, and that was causing the tears.

How soon till the mods and perfs are updated?




Mullet345 Wrote:
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> Stoopid Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > To be honest Greg, I am at a loss at to what is
> > happening. The race mod is the same as the test
> > mod except for different tex, so that shouldn't
> > cause problems. Try copying the f1graphics.cfg
> > from the test mod to the race mod.
>
> I'll give it a try.
>
> Tested it out, and I can confirm that it has fixed
> the tears. Perhaps the f1graphics.cfg was
> glitched, and that was causing the tears.
>
> How soon till the mods and perfs are updated?


Patience my young padawan :-)



5 x WCC - S5, S6, S7, S8, S10 | 4 x WDC - S5 Nick van der Voort ; S6, S7, S8 Ed Greenhalgh | 2 x WTC - S6 Stuart Ingers; S8 Andrei Sevastian
Re: GPGSL S8 Round 12 -Imola - San Marino Grand Prix
Date: May 21, 2013 04:03PM
Posted by: danm
Ferrari2007 Wrote:
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> Your findings in that instance Connor are pretty
> shocking and reveal a problem that needs to be
> addressed as it simply makes no sense.


Spot on. There is no logic.

I still stand by the belief every 3 seasons all TEAMS should get a reset to keep it fresh for everyone.

Drivers can evolve, sure, keep perfs, but teams hit the reboot.

Aston Martin will yet again take both championships this season. Same old, same old!


Jenson drives it like he owns it; Lewis drives it like he stole it
I'm not so sure about next season.



Races: 163 - Wins: 23 - Pole Positions: 24 - Fastest Laps: 22
Season 9: Constructors' Champions
Re: GPGSL S8 Round 12 -Imola - San Marino Grand Prix
Date: May 21, 2013 06:45PM
Posted by: Rico
Ferrari2007 Schreef:
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> I'm not so sure about next season.

Sir?

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"If in doubt, Flat out."
Dan Mills moaning about Aston Martin ... same old, same old! ;)



5 x WCC - S5, S6, S7, S8, S10 | 4 x WDC - S5 Nick van der Voort ; S6, S7, S8 Ed Greenhalgh | 2 x WTC - S6 Stuart Ingers; S8 Andrei Sevastian




Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/21/2013 07:20PM by Stoopid.
Rico Wrote:
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> Ferrari2007 Schreef:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I'm not so sure about next season.
>
> Sir?


I guess he means that S9 winner won't be AMR ;)



My GPGSL Career
Stoopid Wrote:
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> Ok, an explanation on how starter perfs are
> calculated:
>
> 1. An average score per round is determind for
> every driver.
> 2. Each drivers average is then multiplied by the
> total number of rounds.
> 3. This total is then divided by 3.
> 4. All drivers then receive a further reduction
> calculated by the same factor that the top
> driver's perf is then reduced to 16065,16095.
> (After dividing by 3, Ed Greenhalgh's perf would
> have been 16123,16155, far too high! The base perf
> is subtracted from this score. This is then
> divided by 45, the difference between 16065,16095
> and 16020,16050. Race=16123-16020/45=2.2814814814,
> Qualy=16155-16050/45=2.3259259259.
> These two reduction factors are then applied to
> all drivers perfs.
> Example 1 - John Maverick's perf would have been
> 16083,16116. Therefore:
> Race=16083-16020/2.2814814814+16020=16047,
> Qualy=16078-16050/2.3259259259=16078. John's
> starter perf; 16047,16078.
> Example 2 - Daniel Thomas' perf would have been
> 16044,16065. Therefore:
> Race=16044-16020/2.2814814814+16020=16031,
> Qualy=16057-16050/2.3259259259=16044. Daniel's
> starter perf; 16031,16044. The lower the score,
> the lower the reduction, thus closing up the
> field).
>
> I have checked all drivers starting perfs for this
> season and I'm afraid I have discovered an error
> in Dominic Brunner's. His perf at the end of s7
> was the base perf, so season 8 should have been
> the base perf too, in fact this was correctly
> calculated in the S7 perf calculator. I must have
> made an error when tranferring Dominic's perf to
> the S8 perf calculator. For 11 rounds he has run
> with a race perf 12 too high and a qualy perf 10
> too high. I suppose he could have a reduction for
> the remaining 6 rounds, I will leave that decision
> to the members.
>
> I apologise most profusely for my stupid error! :(

Bloody hell Stu that's complicated! I say you make it easier for yourself and reset the team perfs every three years. At least that way there will not be too much pressure on you to ensure they are correct everytime.

GPGSL - Christel VXR team Boss S6-S8, S12 Onwards



danm Wrote:
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> Ferrari2007 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Your findings in that instance Connor are
> pretty
> > shocking and reveal a problem that needs to be
> > addressed as it simply makes no sense.
>
>
> Spot on. There is no logic.
>
> I still stand by the belief every 3 seasons all
> TEAMS should get a reset to keep it fresh for
> everyone.
>
> Drivers can evolve, sure, keep perfs, but teams
> hit the reboot.
>
> Aston Martin will yet again take both
> championships this season. Same old, same old!

Think I've got to agree with this.

Make it a little like Formula 1. No car shape changes or anything but a reboot of perfs for all teams. Since the drivers retain their perf points, they essentially "bring the team forward"
Re: GPGSL S8 Round 12 -Imola - San Marino Grand Prix
Date: May 21, 2013 08:33PM
Posted by: Rico
Monza972 Schreef:
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> danm Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Ferrari2007 Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Your findings in that instance Connor are
> > pretty
> > > shocking and reveal a problem that needs to
> be
> > > addressed as it simply makes no sense.
> >
> >
> > Spot on. There is no logic.
> >
> > I still stand by the belief every 3 seasons all
> > TEAMS should get a reset to keep it fresh for
> > everyone.
> >
> > Drivers can evolve, sure, keep perfs, but teams
> > hit the reboot.
> >
> > Aston Martin will yet again take both
> > championships this season. Same old, same old!
>
> Think I've got to agree with this.
>
> Make it a little like Formula 1. No car shape
> changes or anything but a reboot of perfs for all
> teams. Since the drivers retain their perf points,
> they essentially "bring the team forward"

Could be possible, but then make it after every 5-6 seasons. 3 seasons are to quick in my eyes.
But, how is that "like Formula 1" ? :p

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"If in doubt, Flat out."



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/21/2013 10:01PM by Rico.
What if a team, like One, who have only been running for a single season but have had great success, had their perfs reset at the end of this season and were back to where they started just because most other teams had gone the three seasons since the last reset? That would be really unfair!

To be fair, all the team's perfs started within just 4 of each other this season. AMR and TSM were pretty much evenly matched, even taking into consideration their drivers' perfs, but the two teams have had starkly contrasting seasons. I think the system is pretty much spot on for generating competitive racing at the moment. No-one's running away with it as they have previously, are they?

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One Racing driver and team manager
GPGSL-3: champion in 2007/2013/2014!
GPGSL-4: testdrivers champion in Season 11!
oensan Wrote:
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> What if a team, like One, who have only been
> running for a single season but have had great
> success, had their perfs reset at the end of this
> season and were back to where they started just
> because most other teams had gone the three
> seasons since the last reset? That would be really
> unfair!

>
> To be fair, all the team's perfs started within
> just 4 of each other this season. AMR and TSM were
> pretty much evenly matched, even taking into
> consideration their drivers' perfs, but the two
> teams have had starkly contrasting seasons. I
> think the system is pretty much spot on for
> generating competitive racing at the moment.
> No-one's running away with it as they have
> previously, are they?

Now I know I am going to court controversy for saying this and really don't mean to but I don't find it fair that the new teams have been able to come in in their first season and win races. How long have other teams been waiting to win races? Some a lot more than three seasons. Barring last year Christel and Mac have been at the back of the field trying to work up, which is what new teams do..its just been a bit gauling this year realising how much of a one off last season was for Christel. I think the new rules have been geared far to much to the new teams and "narrowing the gap" that in my opinion, never needed narrowing. Yes AMR won all titles last year but I bet they will again this year, because they are a top team. I say put in a ceiling for the driver and team perfs at a certain point and then over the course of a few seasons the other teams will catchup. Then when teams like AMR and TSM eventually leave the whole process will renew itself. The teams below will move forward and the new teams will come in at the bottom.

Now I know that sounds a bit processional but the fact that boosts are, lets be honest random, and that GP4 has a random element built into it anyway I think would still make for interesting racing. Plus it would bring back an element of control for team owners as they try to sign drivers with higher perfs in order to trump their way up the system.

Oh and please....GET RID OF SINGLE LAP QUALIFYING! (We may as well just roll a dice)

GPGSL - Christel VXR team Boss S6-S8, S12 Onwards



Rico Wrote:
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> Monza972 Schreef:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > danm Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Ferrari2007 Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > Your findings in that instance Connor are
> > > pretty
> > > > shocking and reveal a problem that needs to
> > be
> > > > addressed as it simply makes no sense.
> > >
> > >
> > > Spot on. There is no logic.
> > >
> > > I still stand by the belief every 3 seasons
> all
> > > TEAMS should get a reset to keep it fresh for
> > > everyone.
> > >
> > > Drivers can evolve, sure, keep perfs, but
> teams
> > > hit the reboot.
> > >
> > > Aston Martin will yet again take both
> > > championships this season. Same old, same
> old!
> >
> > Think I've got to agree with this.
> >
> > Make it a little like Formula 1. No car shape
> > changes or anything but a reboot of perfs for
> all
> > teams. Since the drivers retain their perf
> points,
> > they essentially "bring the team forward"
>
> Could be possible, but then make it after every
> 5-6 seasons. 3 seasons are to quick in my eyes.
>
> But, how is that "like Formula 1" ? :p

Because every so often in F1 there's an overhaul of the cars and rules leading to the bottom teams leading the way for a few races :)

CaptinFranko Wrote:
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> Oh and please....GET RID OF SINGLE LAP QUALIFYING!
> (We may as well just roll a dice)

Completely agree with this. It was bad in real life and is the same in the game. Put all drivers on their limit instead of a 1 lap last blast.
CaptinFranko Schreef:
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> Oh and please....GET RID OF SINGLE LAP QUALIFYING!
> (We may as well just roll a dice)

I have to agree with that. It only makes the performace variance more important. In my opinion that variance should be somewhat lowered, so a driver boost has a bigger chance of actually improving someone's performance (I remember someone posting percentages of how effective boosts are).



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