2010 Formula 1™ Monaco GP THREAD **SPOILERS**

vesuvius Wrote:
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> there were green lights enough said, legal.

No. Not "enough said", in fact it has nothing to do with the green lights. Read the rules. It all depends on whether the SC was "called in", or pitted because rule 40.13 says it should. The green lights are completely irrelevant.

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DaveEllis Wrote:
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> No, not legal.
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> *U40.13U If the race ends whilst the safety car is
> deployed it will enter the pit lane at the end of
> the last lap and the cars will take the chequered
> flag as normal without overtaking.

This rule seems to be confusing, if this is the actual wording for it.

If the race ends whilst the safety car is deployed which the safety car was not, but it will enter the pit lane at the end of the last lap and the cars will take the chequered flag as normal without overtaking which it did, so another crappy rule written by the FIA.

Controversy, anyone?

Knowing Alonso, he will make a big stink of it, and knowing Schumacher he will defend it till death, and both would argue that they have a point, which they do, according to the rule.

DaveEllis Wrote:
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> vesuvius Wrote:
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> > there were green lights enough said, legal.
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> No. Not "enough said", in fact it has nothing to
> do with the green lights. Read the rules. It all
> depends on whether the SC was "called in", or
> pitted because rule 40.13 says it should. The
> green lights are completely irrelevant.

safety car was called in, it was shown on tv.

The wording is completely fine. The safety car was deployed. The procedure only changes in this case. They probably don't want the safety car to be on the pictures in the news papers, so they let it come in. Also there is no point anyway to let it run another lap, because who needs a SC during the in-lap?

Nickv Wrote:
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> Yet illegal.

No, legal. He was still behind Alonso as they crossed the SC line.
Plus the evidence Ross Brawn gave, which all adds up to a convincing case.
Marginal, yes. But still the right side of the margin from what I can see.

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Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 05/16/2010 04:35PM by EC83.

where's the SC line anyway?

AcE_cOdEr Wrote:
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> where's the SC line anyway?


at the start of the pitlane entry
Last lap completely under SC:

The safety car will pull in so that finish line photographs can be taken without the SC on them, but you are NOT allowed to overtake. There still is a full course yellow. The quoted rule above just clarifies that it still IS a SC period even though the safety car itself does not drive all the way to the finish line. The important thing is that the race is NOT green flagged anymore.


Last lap, SC pulls in normally (to end the SC period) <---- this is what happened

Race is green flagged after safety car. Drivers are not allowed to overtake until they pass the SC line (not the finish line!), and this line happened to be at the pit lane entrance in Monaco.
So it was OK to overtake after that line all the way to the finish line.


and plus here is livitiming info from f1.com!
If you actually followed live timing on the fomula one website, it clearly says:

Final lap - Webber set to win in Monacco behind the safety car after an impeccable drive

Safety car will come in this lap, meaning Webber will be racing as he heads to the line to take the chequered flag.

Therefore, racing was expected during the final yards


this i what autsport was saying before last lap:-
'Lap 78: The safety car will come in at the end of this lap with the only overtaking allowed after the Rascasse before the line.'



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/16/2010 04:34PM by vesuvius.

The SC line doesn't matter. What matters is the regulations regarding the SC on the final lap.

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Hmm, this is a tricky one.

Did the race to end under the safety car, or were they cleared to race, as if it were a normal restart?

It's quite easy to argue that safety car wasn't deployed, as if it had been called in any other instance, racing would resume.

If the track was nearly blocked or something, then clearly the safety car would have remained out in normal circumstances, so would have entered the pits, but the safety car period, officially, wouldn't have been terminated and the cars would have just drove over the line in order.

What it hangs on was whether the safety car period had terminated.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/16/2010 04:36PM by gav.

AcE_cOdEr Wrote:
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> where's the SC line anyway?


I guess under Ferraris front wing:



Kimi, so, Massa Fernando Sebastian is faster than you. Can you confirm you understood that message?

this is the SC line:

[www.shrani.si]


as for the overtaking move, it was totally legal because the SC period was ended

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/16/2010 04:39PM by anze89.

yes and safety car was clearly called in as it was shown in tv so final lap regulation doesnt count

i'm a big fan of alonso but i think the green flags speak for themselves though

Yep IWE, that's the one. Spot on.

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If the SC was still seen as deployed and danger been on track, that light would still have been yellow. Thus I guess it was fully legal.

Far too many people don't actually see the issue. It has nothing to do with the SC line or the green flags. It is to do what regulation 40.13 and whether or not the SC pitted because it is the final lap or was called in like normal.

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vesuvius Wrote:
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> DaveEllis Wrote:
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> > > there were green lights enough said, legal.
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> > No. Not "enough said", in fact it has nothing
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> > do with the green lights. Read the rules. It
> all
> > depends on whether the SC was "called in", or
> > pitted because rule 40.13 says it should. The
> > green lights are completely irrelevant.
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> safety car was called in, it was shown on tv.

This is really a bad rule. How are the drivers suppose to know if the SC is "called in" or it pits because of it? It only leads to confussion. Some drivers will race, others will not.

DaveEllis Wrote:
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> Far too many people don't actually see the issue.
> It has nothing to do with the SC line or the green
> flags. It is to do what regulation 40.13 and
> whether or not the SC pitted because it is the
> final lap or was called in like normal.

it was called in according to the tv info.

vesuvius Wrote:
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> yes and safety car was clearly called in as it was
> shown in tv so final lap regulation doesnt count
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Drivers don't watch the race on TV.

true but they wouldnt have shown green lights if racing wouldnt have been allowed!