The Official 2009 Brazilian Grand Prix Thread ***SPOILERS***

Button will be about 10 miles from where I work tomorrow, I am thinking about going there.

gav Wrote:
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> Webber was just about a full car ahead and
> presumably misjudged by a matter of cm. I doubt he
> meant to run him off the road. If he knew what he
> was doing, then I'd have hoped they'd have thrown
> the book at him.


Well he said at press confrence that he saw Kimi from the mirrors and he just block the door from him so he had no other reason at all,he also changed his drivingline twice first to the left than in the middle again he should have got penalty from that.

quite sad to see someone through something at hamilton during the BBC interview. Im not a fan of him, but things like this are just unacceptable to any driver on the grid.

vesuvius Wrote:
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> gav Wrote:
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> > Webber was just about a full car ahead and
> > presumably misjudged by a matter of cm. I doubt
> he
> > meant to run him off the road. If he knew what
> he
> > was doing, then I'd have hoped they'd have
> thrown
> > the book at him.
>
>
> Well he said at press confrence that he saw Kimi
> from the mirrors and he just block the door from
> him so he had no other reason at all,he also
> changed his drivingline twice first to the left
> than in the middle again he should have got
> penalty from that.


When you say move 'in the middle' don't you mean: get ready for the next corner? There is nothing wrong with blocking like that unless you do it more than once.

Congrats to Brawn and Jenson Button. He's done it, so he deserves it.
Nearly a third season in a row going down to the last race. F1 fans are being spoilt handsomely.

A great race - i can't remember the last time we had so many incidents in the first couple of laps.

Webber deserved his win, simply by having the legs on pretty much everyone. Button put in a great drive, too - that post above about it being similar to Schumacher's drive in '06 isn't too wide of the mark.

Also, special mention for Rubens - last year Massa gave us a lesson in being a good loser, and this time Barrichello showed us that anyone can do it. What a good sport he is

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In 2006 people just let MS pass, only Kimi and Fissi tried to keep him back. I do wish people would stop saying it was like his drive, Button, Lewis and Vettel all came through and all raced people Plus none of them picked up a puncture when passing people

Just watched the 1st lap again. Webber did move twice but the same way twice. He moved then a second later moved again when he could see he had not blocked enough. When MS done that it was one move only.

Trulli messed himself up, he came out the corner on the curb and there is no way he could expect Sutil to give him the space. Trulli spun when he came off the curb and he hit Sutil.

There was no reson for sutil to hit alonso though, he could have stopped but just kept his foot down to get back on the track.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 10/19/2009 04:16PM by marcl.

You can't really stop on soaking wet grass.

Nope but does not look like he even tried.

The car was jumping and it was wet, you can't stop while being airborn and on wet grass.

Yeah, there was absolutely no way Sutil could have slowed himself down. He certainly wasn't trying to get back on track, as two of his wheels were hanging off the car at the time.

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The hit that Alonso got could have been nasty if he didn't notice Sutil charging up the grass.

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jbnd05 Wrote:
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> Trulli was fined $10000 and mclaren $50000 for
> unsafe release.


Was Massa given penalty of 25 seconds last year in Singapur? I know Ferrari was charged for that but not sure about time penalty for Massa.

DaveEllis Wrote:

> Button had originally been scheduled to fly to
> London on the Sunday night British Airways flight
> out of Sao Paulo, but that plan was thrown into
> doubt with the scheduled aircraft suffering
> technical problems.
>


Given the only large sticker they had on the car for most of the year, why are they flying BA at all!

Simple, Virgin Atlantic don't fly to South America.

DaveEllis Wrote:
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> I was amazed Webber and Kobayashi got away with
> those moves.
>
> Grosjean however was hilarious. He was so bad he
> was creating passing places at points where you
> can't really pass.
>
> Webber is a hard racer, his mentality is that you
> need to fight very hard to overtake him, everyone
> knows so.. Kimi has a brake pedal right next to
> the Accelerator, he took the chance, in his own
> right to do so and paid the price, had Webber
> blocked him the same way had Kimi took the outside
> line, then that would've been a different story,
> Kimi was never side by side, he ran in the back of
> Webber.
>
> I'm glad motorsport doesn't really work like this,
> otherwise we'd have some horrific accidents would
> could be legal simply by the offending driver
> saying "he has a brake pedal!!!!"
>
> There is no excuse for running other cars off the
> track.

not all motorsports but even in NASCAR where bump racing is permitted, some dirvers lift, but you have to look for yourself as well, specially in these open wheel fast cars
some drivers have lost the notion of danger when driving out there, maybe because with all the safety standards of today where you can crash and come out walking as if nothing had happened. sometimes they put themselevs on risky situations as we've seen in the past with Kubica in Canada (had he lifted he would've not run in the back of Trulli)
besides, Mark Webber didn't raced Kimi any different as to Kimi races other poeple

what Webber did to Rubens in Nurburgring earlier this year was wrong as Rubens was side by side, what Hamilton did to many last year at monza was wrong as they where in the braking zone, but here Kimi should've lifted a bit instead of raising the risk in an already risky maneuver as Webber was already blocking the inside line.





it could be a close call, but what he did was perfectly normal, he blocked the inside line and they wheren't in the braking zone

watercolours Wrote:
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> Was Massa given penalty of 25 seconds last year in
> Singapur? I know Ferrari was charged for that but
> not sure about time penalty for Massa.

Massa was given a drive-through penalty at Singapore, but not because of the fuel hose, but because of him being released in front of a Force India (I think it was Fisichella).

Yes, and Kovalainen's punishment is for holding up Kimi in the pitlane. The fine for Mclaren is for the fuel hose incident, as they send Kovalainen away to soon.

DaveEllis Wrote:
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> Button had originally been scheduled to fly to
> London on the Sunday night British Airways flight
> out of Sao Paulo, but that plan was thrown into
> doubt with the scheduled aircraft suffering
> technical problems.
>

Technical problems MY ARSE . Probably in the form of Jenson's dad shoving pigeons into the engines so he could stay in Brazil a few more days lol...

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matt3454 Wrote:
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> The hit that Alonso got could have been nasty if
> he didn't notice Sutil charging up the grass.

Yes, and I didn't even notice how big a hit it was, even with the avoiding actions, until I saw the pictures after the race:




Nakajima's one could have been even worse.

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/20/2009 12:28AM by SchueyFan.