Oh @#$%& (new points system and more)

Ok look at it like this, 2008 3 drivers could win with 3 races left. Now with this system Kubica would have been out the running totally.

Same in the year kimi nearly won it with only 1 race win, again he would have never been in the running for the title.

It just wont work.

More ridicoulous is low-cost car with different rules(movable wings,free engine duration).

AJTWWE Wrote:
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> Also if lets say either Raikkonen or Massa were
> down the field and had no chance of victory, they
> could just choose to retire and save their engines
> knowing full well that it don't matter about
> getting the points for the driver's championship.
> If you were down the field battling for a
> championship you were always fighting to claim
> some points and it don't seem you will get that
> now.

maybe, but you'd feel pretty awful should you be equal on wins at the end of the season, and lose by one point that you could have got if you hadn't retired the car on purpose...

also, the constructors championship is still there

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X (@ed24f1)

We've had these serveys from the FIA, but when I see this, I very much doubt they've even looked at it.

Nickv Wrote:
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> We've had these serveys from the FIA, but when I
> see this, I very much doubt they've even looked at
> it.

+1

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Why do F1 do this? Why are they determined to f**k everything up? 2009 was looking like it was going to be an awesome year, and they pulled this out?

The 2008 championship was decided on the last corner of the last lap of the last race. So who looked at that situation and thought "hmmm, that's not good enough, lets change how the points work"?

Christ if your going to introduce a system which gives the championship to a driver on a completely random stat then why don't we just go the whole hog and introduce NASCARs chase system and be done with it?

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info@fia.com Get emailing them i say voicing your opinion as i think they need telling that we the F1 fans are not happy bout what they have proposed.

DaveEllis Wrote:
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> Why do F1 do this? Why are they determined to f**k
> everything up? 2009 was looking like it was going
> to be an awesome year, and they pulled this out?
>
> The 2008 championship was decided on the last
> corner of the last lap of the last race. So who
> looked at that situation and thought "hmmm, that's
> not good enough, lets change how the points work"


Ferrari?

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AJTWWE Wrote:
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> info@fia.com Get emailing them i say voicing your
> opinion as i think they need telling that we the
> F1 fans are not happy bout what they have
> proposed.


Its NOT the FIA who have proposed this. It is FOM (Basically Bernie's company).

The FIA could either:

1. Keep things as they were
2. Accept the FOTA option of 12-9-7 etc or go with
3. FOM Race wins which they did

The FIA have obviously gone with a altered format of Bernie's original medal idea but it was FOM who proposed this not the FIA

But it is the FIA who accepted the proposal so yes they are still the one's responsible

It's just not going to work. Why is the one with the most peaks the best? Is the economy with the most peaks the best? No, you need one which is good in the longer run. Is a car that only sells awesomely on Tuesday and the rest of the week isn't sold at all, a good selling car? No, you need a car that sells well the entire week. Will you pass your driving exam when you are crap, but do have 7 things you're very good at in your driving? No, your driving has to be good overall. I can go on for hours. Nothing in life with the most peaks is the best, then why should it be in F1?

After this year the FIA will see they've made a horrible mistake (just like the best 12 results count rule) and remove it again.

I hope.

AJTWWE Wrote:
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> Also if lets say either Raikkonen or Massa were
> down the field and had no chance of victory, they
> could just choose to retire and save their engines
> knowing full well that it don't matter about
> getting the points for the driver's championship.
> If you were down the field battling for a
> championship you were always fighting to claim
> some points and it don't seem you will get that
> now.

thats an interesting point, what value are drivers challenging for the title going to put on the minor places?

I can see the argument that if a driver is in 2nd, not too far behind the leader, there is extra incentive for him to try to overtake. however, how often does this situation actually occur? most races aren't photo finishes for the win. they never have been. there seems to be an attempt of late to hark back to some golden era that never actually existed in the first place.

look back at the great battles of yester-year and most of them are for 2nd place back.

the winner is usually, someone who gets their setup or (post 94) fuel stratagey bang on and promplty disappears off into the distance. The close finishing times are usually a result of them taking it easy in the last few laps. I don't see how this new scoring system is going to change that.

also what happens next year? i can see at the moment you could at least try something clever with fuel loads to try to grab an extra win or some more places, but when re-fueling is banned what then? no matter what rules you introduce to enhance overtaking its still going to be very hard. without fuel stops as an alternative its likely the season will be over with 4-5 races left.

Anyway as the FIA showed in january, of the 58 world championships, only 13 of them would have been affected if these rules had applied. so 77% of all of the world championships have been won by the guy who wins the most races anyway. which raises, the question, why bother introducing this system then?

Wow F1 really is dying on it's arse.

This is ridiculous, the sooner Mr. Bernie (who we all know is after this £) gets out the better!

They don't seem to listen to the fan's opinion do they? :/

We could now be in the situation when the title is finished after 6 or 7 races.

Its happened in the past that someone has won the 1st 5 races and then a few more later in the year. But if someone now won 5 races at the start of the year they would have an advantage that would be so hard for another driver to turn around.

Sim

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"I'd love to know what goes on in that crazy head of yours sometimes, Sim..." - Locke Cole

They really are determined to f*** things up. There have been so many examples even in recent years. And while it's a nice thought that we should try contacting them and expressing our feelings, they've also made it clear many times that when we do they pay sweet FA attention to us. Democracy my ass.

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EC83 Wrote:
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> Democracy my ass.

i don't think anyone has ever said the FIA or F1 was meant to be democratic. they are a business, not a government.

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SchueyFan Wrote:
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> EC83 Wrote:
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> > Democracy my ass.
>
> i don't think anyone has ever said the FIA or F1
> was meant to be democratic. they are a business,
> not a government.


nope...FIA are non-profit...so a government not a business

Sim

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All Hail The New York Giants - Winners of Superbowl XXI, XXV and XLII!

"I'd love to know what goes on in that crazy head of yours sometimes, Sim..." - Locke Cole

ok, fine - but i don't think they have any obligation to give power to the people.

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X (@ed24f1)

SchueyFan Wrote:
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> EC83 Wrote:
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> > Democracy my ass.
>
> i don't think anyone has ever said the FIA or F1
> was meant to be democratic. they are a business,
> not a government.

Well, they're a governing body at least. But my point is they keep asking for our opinions on what we think would be good for F1, then doing things which they must know will generally pee us off.

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