Honda might be running on unstable ground....
Posted by Joe_Satriani
Honda should have Lucky Strike again, but noooo, "we want to save the planet putting our stupids earth draws on our cars, we don´t want to be burnt alive"
$%&# you Earth, I want F1!!!!!
But, seriously, if this is not changing, Formula 1 will die during the second decade of the 21th century
$%&# you Earth, I want F1!!!!!
But, seriously, if this is not changing, Formula 1 will die during the second decade of the 21th century
Seriously, 'F1 is going to die' is getting boring now.
lol, 1 team pulls out and it's the end of F1? these things happen, life goes on etc. f1 wont die, it will adapt to the economy eventually
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If there were 14 cars on the grid, customer cars would be perimitted and we'd probably end up with bigger grids than we have now. Single car independant teams too. That'd be awesome.
F1 probably wont die but you have to start to question how commited are the manufacturers? It wasnt long ago rumours of Renault leaving were floating around, and 2/3 weeks ago who would have questioned Honda's commitment. They have put so much in these last two years. It is a HUGE waste of money for them. They gave finanical backing didnt get anything for 2 years, then just pull out before the results of their commitment can be even be seen. This was the year decider year imo. Had 2009 gone well then there would have been a 2010. Had 09 gone as bad as 08 then I do not believe Honda would have been a competitor for 2010. Honda's pulling out has to go down as one of the biggest wastes of money in the sport, if not!
"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL
"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL
superchargednut Wrote:
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> If there were 14 cars on the grid, customer cars
> would be perimitted and we'd probably end up with
> bigger grids than we have now. Single car
> independant teams too. That'd be awesome.
Just like the 70s, good times... They should shut-down the Superliscense, so you´re running in ALMS and do you want to run the US GP with a customer car, you can
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> If there were 14 cars on the grid, customer cars
> would be perimitted and we'd probably end up with
> bigger grids than we have now. Single car
> independant teams too. That'd be awesome.
Just like the 70s, good times... They should shut-down the Superliscense, so you´re running in ALMS and do you want to run the US GP with a customer car, you can
IWE Wrote:
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> True! it wont die, but in most xtreme case after
> next season there might not be more than 14 cars
> if even that. Bernie or all teams together might
> end to pay costs (cosworth engines etc..) of new
> private teams to fill the grid.
>
> F1 would be big failure like A1gp!
holy drama queen batman!
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> True! it wont die, but in most xtreme case after
> next season there might not be more than 14 cars
> if even that. Bernie or all teams together might
> end to pay costs (cosworth engines etc..) of new
> private teams to fill the grid.
>
> F1 would be big failure like A1gp!
holy drama queen batman!
this has been all very predictable since the carmakers started buying teams. With the money they had at their disposal the costs were always going to get out of control.
i suppose the big question is who's next?
Toyota? renault?.
Until now, the need for change was all talk and no action. Now that the dangers of putting all eggs in the car makers basket are clear this could actually turn out to be a blessing in disguise.
like a few others have said, more independents please!
for that to work the entry fee/deposit needs to be lowered. in 1994 it was about $500,000, now its what, about $50,000,000?
i know its set high to put off mickey mouse entries, but the FIA has to approve any new entries anyway? surely replacing a horrifically high entry fee, with some sort of series of tests/requirements to weed out time wasters would be a way of getting a few more independents on the grid? I'm sure there are a few GP2/F3 outfits that wouldn't mind a crack at F1 if the costs made sense.
I'd rather see F1 full of teams who are there to go motor racing rather than there to sell cars.
With regards the standard engine, aspects of the concept have got merrit. I'm not sure about forcing all engines to the same spec. but getting Cosworth involved is a great idea. Motor-racing people through and through. The've supported the sport for years, the contract is just reward for that support!
The idea of having an off the shelf engine that is at least vaguely reasonable in terms of performance and could possibly challenge for podiums when put in a decent chassis makes sense. combined with a reduction in entry and running costs, i think it would attract new teams.
Imagine it, a mix of cosworth powered independents alongside a few works backed teams.
hang on a minute, that sounds awfully familiar...
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/05/2008 06:38PM by marwood82.
i suppose the big question is who's next?
Toyota? renault?.
Until now, the need for change was all talk and no action. Now that the dangers of putting all eggs in the car makers basket are clear this could actually turn out to be a blessing in disguise.
like a few others have said, more independents please!
for that to work the entry fee/deposit needs to be lowered. in 1994 it was about $500,000, now its what, about $50,000,000?
i know its set high to put off mickey mouse entries, but the FIA has to approve any new entries anyway? surely replacing a horrifically high entry fee, with some sort of series of tests/requirements to weed out time wasters would be a way of getting a few more independents on the grid? I'm sure there are a few GP2/F3 outfits that wouldn't mind a crack at F1 if the costs made sense.
I'd rather see F1 full of teams who are there to go motor racing rather than there to sell cars.
With regards the standard engine, aspects of the concept have got merrit. I'm not sure about forcing all engines to the same spec. but getting Cosworth involved is a great idea. Motor-racing people through and through. The've supported the sport for years, the contract is just reward for that support!
The idea of having an off the shelf engine that is at least vaguely reasonable in terms of performance and could possibly challenge for podiums when put in a decent chassis makes sense. combined with a reduction in entry and running costs, i think it would attract new teams.
Imagine it, a mix of cosworth powered independents alongside a few works backed teams.
hang on a minute, that sounds awfully familiar...
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/05/2008 06:38PM by marwood82.
Why with the Cosworth. Its totally known that teams will use their own engine except for the private companies. Can you imagine a Ferrari powered by Cosworth. Hilarious Situation 
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I do hope this is true.
Then again IF Honda get's a decent buyer then I would like Jenson to stay there for 09. I have faith in what would have been the RA109. And hopefully much of the technical staff will remain.
If true, its something Jenson will ahve to consider a great deal. Will STR think he is good enough to wait for though, ie will JB wait until Honda's buyer is known then sign? Will STR wait for his decision or say look we have lots of guys wanting to driver our car, here is a pen and paper.
Again, if this is true and he could be offered a test for this coming Jerez test, should he refuse? I mean does he think for himself or for the team? What would the team think about him givign his positive talk, then a few days later testing for another team? Difficult.
edit - craig very worrying Not only for him but the 700 odd people also. I am grateful for Brawn at this time, he seems like he really wants to get things moving again. Without Brawn, Fry would very much be in a difficult place and we would probably never see him again!
"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/05/2008 07:28PM by chet.
I do hope this is true.
Then again IF Honda get's a decent buyer then I would like Jenson to stay there for 09. I have faith in what would have been the RA109. And hopefully much of the technical staff will remain.
If true, its something Jenson will ahve to consider a great deal. Will STR think he is good enough to wait for though, ie will JB wait until Honda's buyer is known then sign? Will STR wait for his decision or say look we have lots of guys wanting to driver our car, here is a pen and paper.
Again, if this is true and he could be offered a test for this coming Jerez test, should he refuse? I mean does he think for himself or for the team? What would the team think about him givign his positive talk, then a few days later testing for another team? Difficult.
edit - craig very worrying
Not only for him but the 700 odd people also. I am grateful for Brawn at this time, he seems like he really wants to get things moving again. Without Brawn, Fry would very much be in a difficult place and we would probably never see him again!"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/05/2008 07:28PM by chet.
honda have the infrastructure to develop a lot better.
removing the limitations the japanese way of working slowed their progress a LOT! by that, i remember certain high rankign japanese motorcycle people being given the job to design the car... foolish! (i could be a bit wrong there though, just what i vaguely remember).
as for jenson, the franz tozst link is pretty good - but my god red bull have a LOT of backup drivers! i can see jenson and bourdais as teammates and doing rather well actually... lets not forget this will be an adrian newey car, with a ferrari engine inside and we all know how nicely that was going last season.
it could give jenson a chance to shine in a better machine to prove his abilities, and who knows, red bull main team promotion or replacing Kovy (i wish!).
button would fit well with the red bull frame i think, got a nice look and ring to it! :D
hes also paired with sato before, both work well together.
lets hope....
would you stay with brawn and the honda car, knowing it might be a crap one off chance buyer who goes bust in a year or two.... or do you head for torro rosso, a decent enough car and engine, and chances for a better deal... but is also going to be sold off.
so tough. if i was jenson, id take the torro rosso test, as a show, and top the timetables of all the candidates to show he is quick and capable, just to silence some of his critics.
if he does go for toro rosso, it will be him and buemi the favourites, as buemi has pretty much got the seat, the rest are tryouts for an experienced teammate for him, they have been quoted as saying.
Jenson drives it like he owns it; Lewis drives it like he stole it
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/05/2008 09:04PM by danm.
removing the limitations the japanese way of working slowed their progress a LOT! by that, i remember certain high rankign japanese motorcycle people being given the job to design the car... foolish! (i could be a bit wrong there though, just what i vaguely remember).
as for jenson, the franz tozst link is pretty good - but my god red bull have a LOT of backup drivers! i can see jenson and bourdais as teammates and doing rather well actually... lets not forget this will be an adrian newey car, with a ferrari engine inside and we all know how nicely that was going last season.
it could give jenson a chance to shine in a better machine to prove his abilities, and who knows, red bull main team promotion or replacing Kovy (i wish!).
button would fit well with the red bull frame i think, got a nice look and ring to it! :D
hes also paired with sato before, both work well together.
lets hope....
would you stay with brawn and the honda car, knowing it might be a crap one off chance buyer who goes bust in a year or two.... or do you head for torro rosso, a decent enough car and engine, and chances for a better deal... but is also going to be sold off.
so tough. if i was jenson, id take the torro rosso test, as a show, and top the timetables of all the candidates to show he is quick and capable, just to silence some of his critics.
if he does go for toro rosso, it will be him and buemi the favourites, as buemi has pretty much got the seat, the rest are tryouts for an experienced teammate for him, they have been quoted as saying.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/05/2008 09:04PM by danm.
IWE Wrote:
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> True! it wont die, but in most xtreme case after
> next season there might not be more than 14 cars
> if even that. Bernie or all teams together might
> end to pay costs (cosworth engines etc..) of new
> private teams to fill the grid.
>
> F1 would be big failure like A1gp!
about a1gp just think if f1 had the same car engine etc.. it would save so mmuch money
honda
lets stop working on the 2008 car lets focus on are 2009 car
after 1 test lets pull out
this has really upset me ... my favourite team dropping out
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 12/05/2008 11:48PM by willward.
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> True! it wont die, but in most xtreme case after
> next season there might not be more than 14 cars
> if even that. Bernie or all teams together might
> end to pay costs (cosworth engines etc..) of new
> private teams to fill the grid.
>
> F1 would be big failure like A1gp!
about a1gp just think if f1 had the same car engine etc.. it would save so mmuch money
honda
lets stop working on the 2008 car lets focus on are 2009 car
after 1 test lets pull out
this has really upset me ... my favourite team dropping out
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 12/05/2008 11:48PM by willward.
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