Codemasters' F1 game discussion
Posted by Rodrigo007
@Fincent, Mitsuro Suno & loque
Very well written, nice inputs
I myself can't believe that they don't have the TV overlay from this 2010 season
anywhere in the game with lap times, spilts, standings etc. Now when they finally
got it looking nice on TV. Reading the comments about fake laptimes of the AI
makes sense why they left it out. With comparing split times and gaps with
other cars you will quickly discover that somthing is wrong
Also, I almost always drive in cockpit view and all the OSD turned off.
In that view I have no info at all, just the speed, gear and position on
the wheel, but nothing else? How about a pitboard when passing the pits at least?
On real F1 wheel I believe they get lap times and spilts right on the wheel display.
Hope they fix the stuff we're here pointing out and add TV Overlay, 2010 style
and also that you can during replay watch the other cars.
I enjoy time trial alot, just to learn all the tracks and you don't have to bother
about the stupid AI or fake timings. (Due AI in Legendary is hard during racing)
/DucatiHaSSe
SWEDEN
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Very well written, nice inputs
I myself can't believe that they don't have the TV overlay from this 2010 season
anywhere in the game with lap times, spilts, standings etc. Now when they finally
got it looking nice on TV. Reading the comments about fake laptimes of the AI
makes sense why they left it out. With comparing split times and gaps with
other cars you will quickly discover that somthing is wrong
Also, I almost always drive in cockpit view and all the OSD turned off.
In that view I have no info at all, just the speed, gear and position on
the wheel, but nothing else? How about a pitboard when passing the pits at least?
On real F1 wheel I believe they get lap times and spilts right on the wheel display.
Hope they fix the stuff we're here pointing out and add TV Overlay, 2010 style
and also that you can during replay watch the other cars.
I enjoy time trial alot, just to learn all the tracks and you don't have to bother
about the stupid AI or fake timings. (Due AI in Legendary is hard during racing)
/DucatiHaSSe
SWEDEN
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Post on the Coddies forum from Steven Hood about the rubberbanding:
I had seen this talked about before, and it was what I was going to suggest was the problem. So there's no rubberbanding as such, but just a poor execution of what is - in theory - a good idea. Hopefully then they will have a play with the values and release a patch reducing the effect that it is having, becuase it appears to be ultra-sensitive and exaggerated. I won't hold my breath though - surely they knew about this before now...
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I haven't been through this entire thread but I did spot a post by someone called mav16? He has the right idea
It's fair to say it was a little battle to not use the rubber band system of earlier games. One reason I didn't want to use this system is down to the fact we have far more cars in F1 than found in your traditional racer. That means the player is more likely to have competition around him during the race. Personally I don't mind running out and alone when the situation dictates it. That's part of racing to me. Nevertheless...
There are a couple of elements taking from the systems of old (and therefore sharing some XML parameters and code features because we have worked this game into an existing structure) but used in a slightly more realistic (IMO) manner.
For example - During a race, if the lead car has a big lead, he'll start to drive a little slower to conserve his car & maintain his pace. If the gap is reduced he will, at some point, start to respond if able. That to me, is exactly what people do in real races. On the lowest difficulties a couple of more things come into play but we're in no way using the system as poorly as you might imagine
Hope that clears a couple of things up - we used the system to better replicate what drivers do in real life.
I had seen this talked about before, and it was what I was going to suggest was the problem. So there's no rubberbanding as such, but just a poor execution of what is - in theory - a good idea. Hopefully then they will have a play with the values and release a patch reducing the effect that it is having, becuase it appears to be ultra-sensitive and exaggerated. I won't hold my breath though - surely they knew about this before now...
Got it yesterday (PS3) and I'm enjoying it a lot!
It's funny, I thought I'd be winning races from what people on here were saying but in 3 races I've finished 23rd, 23rd and 14th! Partly because I'm a bit crap but also because the AI are rather fast. I read somewhere that it could depend on how you answer questions at the start and that might make sense as I gave some ambitious answers!
Some bits and bobs i noticed/liked/disliked :
Doing a practice session in the rain at the start then skipping half an hour of the session and coming back out to see a dry line appearing. Skipped a bit more and came out to see the sun out and only the odd wet spot so that was cool. The times dropped dramatically too of course which was good to see.
I like how you can adjust the wing and things whilst driving on the track - I damaged my wing at Melbourne and the engineer told me to adjust my settings to make the car more stable.
I think the way the whole menu is set out is great. I liked it in Dirt 2 as well, I just think it's a nice way to keep you immersed during the menu bits.
The graphics are great
I'm enjoying the way the car drives but of course comparing it to some sim games it doesn't feel as good, A lot of the spins I've had were quite surprising and unexpected. The force feedback on my wheel doesn't feel as good as it does in games like GTR where it seemed a bit more in-depth than the F1 2010 ff but I've got used to it now!
The damage isn't sensitive, I've hit the walls a couple of times in practice and didn't do any damage despite thinking I'd be a goner! I'm not too bothered about it but knowing that a scrape with another car won't damage you takes a bit of the 'fear' out of racing and I probably go for a lot more overtakes than I would have otherwise done.
Not a fan of the quick setup. I liked the rfactor slider one where you could adjust aero/gearing fairly easily but I think the F1 2010 feature is a bit too simplified.
Overall I think it's a good start for Codemasters but that's coming from someone who likes arcadey games as well as sim ones. In terms of official games we haven't had our fair share of them for a few years and maybe if we had, I wouldn't be enjoying this as much - but being starved from an official F1 game has helped form my positive opinion of F1 2010. Looking forward to a more accomplished title next year though
Ric Scott
It's funny, I thought I'd be winning races from what people on here were saying but in 3 races I've finished 23rd, 23rd and 14th! Partly because I'm a bit crap but also because the AI are rather fast. I read somewhere that it could depend on how you answer questions at the start and that might make sense as I gave some ambitious answers!
Some bits and bobs i noticed/liked/disliked :
Doing a practice session in the rain at the start then skipping half an hour of the session and coming back out to see a dry line appearing. Skipped a bit more and came out to see the sun out and only the odd wet spot so that was cool. The times dropped dramatically too of course which was good to see.
I like how you can adjust the wing and things whilst driving on the track - I damaged my wing at Melbourne and the engineer told me to adjust my settings to make the car more stable.
I think the way the whole menu is set out is great. I liked it in Dirt 2 as well, I just think it's a nice way to keep you immersed during the menu bits.
The graphics are great
I'm enjoying the way the car drives but of course comparing it to some sim games it doesn't feel as good, A lot of the spins I've had were quite surprising and unexpected. The force feedback on my wheel doesn't feel as good as it does in games like GTR where it seemed a bit more in-depth than the F1 2010 ff but I've got used to it now!
The damage isn't sensitive, I've hit the walls a couple of times in practice and didn't do any damage despite thinking I'd be a goner! I'm not too bothered about it but knowing that a scrape with another car won't damage you takes a bit of the 'fear' out of racing and I probably go for a lot more overtakes than I would have otherwise done.
Not a fan of the quick setup. I liked the rfactor slider one where you could adjust aero/gearing fairly easily but I think the F1 2010 feature is a bit too simplified.
Overall I think it's a good start for Codemasters but that's coming from someone who likes arcadey games as well as sim ones. In terms of official games we haven't had our fair share of them for a few years and maybe if we had, I wouldn't be enjoying this as much - but being starved from an official F1 game has helped form my positive opinion of F1 2010. Looking forward to a more accomplished title next year though
Ric Scott
Korea does look like a nice track, based on the game, its only a pity they take the extra slow corners at Turn 4 instead of taking the 'shortcut' layout - if you've played that track you probably know what I mean.
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Well, yeah, but the point I was making is that it was meant to be a lot more subtle and to resemble real-life practice. As it's turned out, it is effectively rubberbanding becuase they've messed it up.
Okay, F1 2010 has just had the final nail in the coffin for me. Not sure if I want to play it again now. All of the AI is completely fake, even that in races. And it's not just a simple bug, it's the way the game has actually been designed so unless Codemasters redesign the entire game mechanics then no amount of patches are going to fix this one. Very very disappointed is a massive understatement.
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@ Flincent
With regards to that link, i think there could be a simple explanation for the time difference.
When Webber starts the race from pole, he crosses the start/finish line travelling around 30mph or so from a standing start, by the time Kubica crosses the line, he could be doing 130mph or more, depending where he starts.
Your lap time doesn't actually start until you cross the line, so it's natural for Kubica's lap to be faster than Webbers, because he crossed the line at a higher speed.
If Kubica started 2nd then yeah, that would be a problem, but the OP doesn't say where he starts.
My gripes are still with the a.i and prefer to do time trials and online racing, as that's where the game excel imo
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/25/2010 11:32PM by ralv585.
With regards to that link, i think there could be a simple explanation for the time difference.
When Webber starts the race from pole, he crosses the start/finish line travelling around 30mph or so from a standing start, by the time Kubica crosses the line, he could be doing 130mph or more, depending where he starts.
Your lap time doesn't actually start until you cross the line, so it's natural for Kubica's lap to be faster than Webbers, because he crossed the line at a higher speed.
If Kubica started 2nd then yeah, that would be a problem, but the OP doesn't say where he starts.
My gripes are still with the a.i and prefer to do time trials and online racing, as that's where the game excel imo
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/25/2010 11:32PM by ralv585.
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