MP4-25

gap177 Wrote:
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> "yes true that cars should be released when they
> are error free but who is to blame? us the
> community because we always ask and tell to
> released as quickly as possible without thinking
> that it may have bugs :/ so we only have us to
> blame for that."
>
> Personally I haven't ever asked when a car will be
> finished-its finished when it finished. If all
> forum members would just remember to do the
> same-then we wouldnt keep losing talented addon
> makers. These addon makers do have personal lives
> which in most cases comes first.
>
> "Good point, ...... but guess what? Along with the
> wheel hubs and brakes............. we now have no
> car at all.
> I understand about quality and it is a very valid
> point but I think in defence of Mpad he struggles
> with the language and the actual process of
> re-lease, i.e testing first. Still big shame
> really. I've always been taught something is
> always better than nothing , now I guess we have
> nothing."
>
> I noticed that you were able to speak russian with
> mpad-maybe you could help him with the language
> and beta testing issues. Afterall we are supposed
> to be a community. And to all the people who have
> asked permission to convert/fix his work-DO IT VIA
> PM.
>
> I am going to miss seeing Mpads work in my gp4.
>
> Glenn(Cdn)


Sent PM to him but I doubt that it will help.


" Perfection is not a gift ....... it comes with practice."

Member of R.S.C.T Group

I hope he does continue to do his work, it would be a shame to lose him.

I also hope that Mpad continues shaping for the gp4 community. His work is definately very good and with a small team of beta testers(preferably someone who can converse with him in russian to sort out bugs/errors before releasing)-it would be great. Another thing he could do is make a proper Readme with all information regarding permissions in several languages. If he does decide to stop shaping for gp4, then we lose another talented shaper because of BS.

Glenn(Cdn)

Mpad pm'd me but he is very angry .......... he specifically locked the files because that was the one proviso for sharing.
Because the files were un-locked, he has now lost trust in the community.


" Perfection is not a gift ....... it comes with practice."

Member of R.S.C.T Group

@ KTC: Permissions would not be necessary if everyone had respect toward authors work. Why do you think so many great modders left the community?

When you spend hours, weeks and months , trying to make your best and sharing your work with gamers, it means to give them stuff to improve the game , but that other people steal your work to release it on their own name you have some reasons to be disgusted.
When you borrow something to a friend or your neighbour, you ask permission first, don't you? It is just a rule of courtesy and if he doesn't want to give it to you, you don't have to blame for that because he is not obliged to. For some people here, you give them something, they want more and NOW.... No patience and no respect toward people who are working hard and who spend many and many hours during their free time. When people don't have what they want, they steal the work and say: "Hey, look what I have done by my own, isn't it great?!" (they just modify 1 or 2 small things only) ... This is why permissions are needed, for the community to not become a giant circus where anything goes and to avoid bad intentions and fights.
But if someone is not happy with the work released, nothing prevent to make your own modifications for your private use only. The GP4faq and google is full of tutorials on how to bring modifications to the game, how to create or modify a shape and textures...

I know that some people have good intentions, but the respect toward the authors is also important, even when he says "no". He may have his own reasons (trying to release a better version later, for example... not happy with his work so that he doesn't want to share it.... No permission because he doesn't want his work to be modified by someone else, not to be degraded... He has not to be blamed because he doesn't want to see his work released into a mod, also). This is his desire and his right, too.


As Lez said, a car (or something else), even when it is not perfect, is better than anything. Now, Mpad doesn't want to share anything here because people are impatients and because they insist anyway.

Some people should remember that no modders and no designers = end of the community and this is where we are going to at the moment.

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/23/2010 12:34AM by Excalibur.

Excalibur Wrote:
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> @ KTC: Permissions would not be necessary if
> everyone had respect toward authors work. Why do
> you think so many great modders left the
> community?
>
> When you spend hours, weeks and months , trying to
> make your best and sharing your work with gamers,
> it means to give them stuff to improve the game ,
> but that other people steal your work to release
> it on their own name you have some reasons to be
> disgusted.
> When you borrow something to a friend or your
> neighbour, you ask permission first, don't you? It
> is just a rule of courtesy and if he doesn't want
> to give it to you, you don't have to blame for
> that because he is not obliged to. For some people
> here, you give them something, they want more and
> NOW.... No patience and no respect toward people
> who are working hard and who spend many and many
> hours during their free time. When people don't
> have what they want, they steal the work and say:
> "Hey, look what I have done by my own, isn't it
> great?!" (they just modify 1 or 2 small things
> only) ... This is why permissions are needed, for
> the community to not become a giant circus where
> anything goes and to avoid bad intentions and
> fights.
> But if someone is not happy with the work
> released, nothing prevent to make your own
> modifications for your private use only. The
> GP4faq and google is full of tutorials on how to
> bring modifications to the game, how to create or
> modify a shape and textures...
>
> I know that some people have good intentions, but
> the respect toward the authors is also important,
> even when he says "no". He may have his own
> reasons (trying to release a better version later,
> for example... not happy with his work so that he
> doesn't want to share it.... No permission because
> he doesn't want his work to be modified by someone
> else, not to be degraded... He has not to be
> blamed because he doesn't want to see his work
> released into a mod, also). This is his desire and
> his right, too.
>
>
> As Lez said, a car (or something else), even when
> it is not perfect, is better than anything. Now,
> Mpad doesn't want to share anything here because
> people are impatients and because they insist
> anyway.
>
> Some people should remember that no modders and no
> designers = end of the community and this is where
> we are going to at the moment.


Thank you Arnaud, .......................... I could not have put it better this is exactly what it's all about.


" Perfection is not a gift ....... it comes with practice."

Member of R.S.C.T Group

Great jobs guys, you've managed to get rid of another modder.

I think we may be running out of medals for these idiots.

do we have to cry NOW or we have to wait a lil bit more?

some users i never talked before... come in this post and say a lot of crap about it.. and one day after.. i have a private message.. SEND ME THE FILES.. I WONT TELL..


but its ok.. i had a good intention.. but if the ''modders'' or moderators'' wont understand it and suddenly Ban me.. its still ok..

theres a lotta banned members BACK here with diff names.. theres a lotta members here with diff usernames.. and so on...


Theres ALWAYS at least one member who come here.. get the files and share on another website..privatly or not..

IS THIS SITE SHUTSDOWN?? no it wont.

and if it happens.. WE ALL KNOW EVERYBODY has account on other one.


bye all.( lets see how many hours it will take to get mylsef banned here coz i said what i think.)

Everyone, please keep GP4 alive!

C'mon guys...Its just a game... It seems that these are your lifes, your jobs...or whatever that's is important in yours lifes...

It's just a game...

And about these 2010' cars... The ones made by mpad is very good, with high quality...it's a pleasure having fun with these cars in the Gp4 game... but in the next year we will forget them like the 2007 cars, 2008 cars, the 2009 cars...

I repeat: It's just a game.

If mpad stop making cars, okay, this will not stop me from having fun with the game ... If he does not stop, of course it's better ...
But whatever ... Only it's a shame people can not divide your things without objection ...

If I knew how to make these cars, which I'm trying to learn, certainly would not have this behavior ...

thks,
tiko.

Mortal wrote :

" On the 21st July 2010 the site was ten years old. I'd like to thanks all of you for your continued support for the site."

How old were all of you at that time ?
This discussion about one car or whatever is ridiculous . The game is bigger , the comunity is bigger , the site is bigger .
We should keep GP4 alive still for a long time . Who knows how to make good cars , helmets , tracks etc and wants to share with us is welcome . Who wants to keep the works and doesn't share it no matter .
In my opinion , the moderators should close this thread in the beggining , I have not seen new works here , sometimes some WIP , usually WIP forever . Against the egos or vanity , Everybody has to go to work and work hard .
Please respect those who create things , respect us simple mortal , but specially we should respect the WONDERFUL GP4 game .

How old is the game ?

Ricardo

Excalibur schrieb:
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> @ KTC: Permissions would not be necessary if
> everyone had respect toward authors work. Why do
> you think so many great modders left the
> community?
>
> When you spend hours, weeks and months , trying to
> make your best and sharing your work with gamers,
> it means to give them stuff to improve the game ,
> but that other people steal your work to release
> it on their own name you have some reasons to be
> disgusted.
> When you borrow something to a friend or your
> neighbour, you ask permission first, don't you? It
> is just a rule of courtesy and if he doesn't want
> to give it to you, you don't have to blame for
> that because he is not obliged to. For some people
> here, you give them something, they want more and
> NOW.... No patience and no respect toward people
> who are working hard and who spend many and many
> hours during their free time. When people don't
> have what they want, they steal the work and say:
> "Hey, look what I have done by my own, isn't it
> great?!" (they just modify 1 or 2 small things
> only) ... This is why permissions are needed, for
> the community to not become a giant circus where
> anything goes and to avoid bad intentions and
> fights.
> But if someone is not happy with the work
> released, nothing prevent to make your own
> modifications for your private use only. The
> GP4faq and google is full of tutorials on how to
> bring modifications to the game, how to create or
> modify a shape and textures...
>
> I know that some people have good intentions, but
> the respect toward the authors is also important,
> even when he says "no". He may have his own
> reasons (trying to release a better version later,
> for example... not happy with his work so that he
> doesn't want to share it.... No permission because
> he doesn't want his work to be modified by someone
> else, not to be degraded... He has not to be
> blamed because he doesn't want to see his work
> released into a mod, also). This is his desire and
> his right, too.
>
>
> As Lez said, a car (or something else), even when
> it is not perfect, is better than anything. Now,
> Mpad doesn't want to share anything here because
> people are impatients and because they insist
> anyway.
>
> Some people should remember that no modders and no
> designers = end of the community and this is where
> we are going to at the moment.

this you opinion and i respect them. now here is my opinion:
it's nice that people make cars for the old game and i made in the past many track layouts. this is hard and need a much private time. but the people are unfriendly and haven't respect. this adjustment of other people is not as yesterday. many modders know the trouble but they make new files again and again. close the work and wait or make cars for his own. that's my way. i make tracks only for me, wait of cars, and hey, it's so easy. if there are no cars coming, so make it for the own or you a later shape with new textures.
this is my opinion

Correct me if I'm wrong but which of the Geoff Crammonds Grand Prix series had a number of issues within the game and it had to have this and that patch added?

LOL at all this. typical of this website. step 1 to fix it, get someone respectable to run this site. start from the top.

kubica2 Schreef:
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> LOL at all this. typical of this website. step 1
> to fix it, get someone respectable to run this
> site. start from the top.


What a bunch of crap, the site is online for 10 years already so it must be run very good cause else it would already be closed.

What I was getting at, is that: 'Best things come to thous who wait!!!' I for one don't know how to to build a car (shape, liveries, etc) let alone a track. If I don't like the car/track, I find another that I do.

Mpad you've done a lot for this site/community please, please, please keep with us and shoot the ones who are annoying!

That does include me!! I do get alot of help from this site and I'm greatful for this!

SPOKES

Posts reported, show some respect. If a modder makes a car, by right's it is is intellectual property, to do with as he sees fit. If he wishes to lock the files, it's his prerogative. Seems some of you lack patience, and this on the tenth birthday of the site. Shame job. My personal apologies to mpad for closing the thread.

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