The Turkish Grand Prix Thread **SPOILERS**
Posted by tozequio
DaveEllis Wrote:
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> A little mention for Kobayashi. He benefited from
> the RBR Moron squad, but got a point. He beat his
> team mate and is now on tracks he already knows
> from previous running. I think he has struggled to
> learn tracks, so I'm now interested in seeing how
> he does from now on.
Yes, it was nice to see him getting a point However, he seemed to go backwards in the race - at least compared to de la Rosa. I will need to see the lap chart to make a further judgement about this. His battle with the lapped Toro Rosso was stupid, too.
Petrov got the fastest lap as well, a nice result on a promising weekend for him - fairly close to Kubica in speed, and kept back Alonso for a long time.
X (@ed24f1)
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> A little mention for Kobayashi. He benefited from
> the RBR Moron squad, but got a point. He beat his
> team mate and is now on tracks he already knows
> from previous running. I think he has struggled to
> learn tracks, so I'm now interested in seeing how
> he does from now on.
Yes, it was nice to see him getting a point However, he seemed to go backwards in the race - at least compared to de la Rosa. I will need to see the lap chart to make a further judgement about this. His battle with the lapped Toro Rosso was stupid, too.
Petrov got the fastest lap as well, a nice result on a promising weekend for him - fairly close to Kubica in speed, and kept back Alonso for a long time.
X (@ed24f1)
I think that the problem here was that Red Bull hasn´t put clear rules about overtaking situations between their two drivers.
Vettel took many risks on that move, he should wait till the next turn to make it. He migth thougth that Webber will let him pass through, so he went to the ideal line, but Webber left his car there, so ...... Well, the result was predictible.
There was definitely a big misunderstanding between both Red Bull drivers on that move, the team now must calm down the drivers, and start putting some rules on them.
It almost happen the same between Button and Hamilton, Button made a great move to overtake Lewis, but then he tried to recover the lead on turn 1. Button was clever, so he didn´t offer a big resistance (even when they almost hit each other), and then the team decided to open a gap between them to put an end to this battle.
Ferrari made a disappointing 800th race, been 1 second slower than Mclaren and Red Bull, and both drivers finished behind both Mercedez and Kubica. Alonso won against Petrov on a very risky maneuver, even with Vitaly recovered and made a lap record on the last lap.
Great race at Turkey, and first TRUE BATTLE between teammates, and another problem for Red Bull: this time not only mechanical problems, now teammate problems too...
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Vettel took many risks on that move, he should wait till the next turn to make it. He migth thougth that Webber will let him pass through, so he went to the ideal line, but Webber left his car there, so ...... Well, the result was predictible.
There was definitely a big misunderstanding between both Red Bull drivers on that move, the team now must calm down the drivers, and start putting some rules on them.
It almost happen the same between Button and Hamilton, Button made a great move to overtake Lewis, but then he tried to recover the lead on turn 1. Button was clever, so he didn´t offer a big resistance (even when they almost hit each other), and then the team decided to open a gap between them to put an end to this battle.
Ferrari made a disappointing 800th race, been 1 second slower than Mclaren and Red Bull, and both drivers finished behind both Mercedez and Kubica. Alonso won against Petrov on a very risky maneuver, even with Vitaly recovered and made a lap record on the last lap.
Great race at Turkey, and first TRUE BATTLE between teammates, and another problem for Red Bull: this time not only mechanical problems, now teammate problems too...
GP4 Projects: - Button, Hamilton, Di Resta, Kovalainen and Ricciardo F1 2012 Helmets Released -
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Webber stayed on his line but as they were too close and Vettel on the dirty side of the track, he made a little gap on the right when he braked. So, I think Vettel has misjudged his overtaking and risks but this is not one or other's fault. This is just the race. They want to fight for the 1st place and hopefully, the drivers take risks because this is what makes races interesting. It could have happened to Hamilton and Button, too (What a great overtaking like we'd love to see more often!)
So, I agree with Thunderknight , excepted that this is not to Horner to say to his drivers to calm down, just to the drivers to evaluate risks and possibilities to overtake. This is a little lesson to Vettel to not trust in Webber because he's fighting for the first place of the championship and he has to make his race (this was too close but in respect of the rules and his team mate. webber didn't close the door).
Anyway, great GP!
@ Slash: You are right for the podium. It was a bit tense
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Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 05/30/2010 05:12PM by Excalibur.
So, I agree with Thunderknight , excepted that this is not to Horner to say to his drivers to calm down, just to the drivers to evaluate risks and possibilities to overtake. This is a little lesson to Vettel to not trust in Webber because he's fighting for the first place of the championship and he has to make his race (this was too close but in respect of the rules and his team mate. webber didn't close the door).
Anyway, great GP!
@ Slash: You are right for the podium. It was a bit tense
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Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 05/30/2010 05:12PM by Excalibur.
Well done Lewis, great win, and one which had been coming for a while really. Fantastic battle between Lewis and Jenson, great entertainment and brilliant driving from both. The right guys finished 1 and 2.
I'm inclined to agree with verdict of 60/40 Vettel's fault. There's a fine line in that kind of situation between being brilliant and being utterly stupid, and Seb stepped over it rather epically here. I'm also surprised and disappointed that he wasn't apologetic when interviewed afterwards, it's always been one of his saving graces when he's screwed up in the past(Melbourne 2009 for example). And doing the crazy sign after the crash might have been a kneejerk reaction, but he was miles off there IMO. To me it smacked of a belief that it had been his right to have Webber jump out of his way and not contest the position, which is un-Vettel-like and does surprise me.
Well done Kobayashi. First point of the season, and a very solid drive.
Good job also from MS. Didn't have the ultimate pace in the car, but had a strong weekend, outperforming Nico, was constantly "best of the rest" after the Maccas and RedBulls, and came close to inheriting a podium at one point too.
Ferrari really just abysmal all weekend.
gav Wrote:
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> More importantly than all of this. I want to kill
> Nicole Scherzinger (yes I had to Google the name).
> It's the first time I've seen her for a season or
> something and she's already doing my @#$%& head
> in.
Join the club dude :P
It's the first GP she's been at since Abu Dhabi. What really bugs me is the apparent obsession with showing her, even on replays. Today we got shown a slow-mo of her reaction to Jenson and Lewis out-shuffling each other for the lead. Yay.
Her speaking to the BBC team afterwards was just the icing on the cake.
I'm inclined to agree with verdict of 60/40 Vettel's fault. There's a fine line in that kind of situation between being brilliant and being utterly stupid, and Seb stepped over it rather epically here. I'm also surprised and disappointed that he wasn't apologetic when interviewed afterwards, it's always been one of his saving graces when he's screwed up in the past(Melbourne 2009 for example). And doing the crazy sign after the crash might have been a kneejerk reaction, but he was miles off there IMO. To me it smacked of a belief that it had been his right to have Webber jump out of his way and not contest the position, which is un-Vettel-like and does surprise me.
Well done Kobayashi. First point of the season, and a very solid drive.
Good job also from MS. Didn't have the ultimate pace in the car, but had a strong weekend, outperforming Nico, was constantly "best of the rest" after the Maccas and RedBulls, and came close to inheriting a podium at one point too.
Ferrari really just abysmal all weekend.
gav Wrote:
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> More importantly than all of this. I want to kill
> Nicole Scherzinger (yes I had to Google the name).
> It's the first time I've seen her for a season or
> something and she's already doing my @#$%& head
> in.
Join the club dude :P
It's the first GP she's been at since Abu Dhabi. What really bugs me is the apparent obsession with showing her, even on replays. Today we got shown a slow-mo of her reaction to Jenson and Lewis out-shuffling each other for the lead. Yay.
Her speaking to the BBC team afterwards was just the icing on the cake.
Haha, I caught the tail-end of the grid walk today, obviously the bit with her on was earlier. Looks like I caught the right bits :P
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/30/2010 05:29PM by EC83.
Great, for the first time to see (in the dry) JB and Lewis as close as that! LH is bringing out the best in JB!
Great race tho, Lewis never gave RBR a break and Vettel, what a fool! what an utter fool.
More disapointed in Horner and RBR as a team though.
"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL
Great race tho, Lewis never gave RBR a break and Vettel, what a fool! what an utter fool.
More disapointed in Horner and RBR as a team though.
"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL
There are now rumours that Red Bull had both told Webber to turn down his engine and save fuel, and Vettel to turn up his engine to defend against Hamilton
EDIT: Apparently there will be a story soon on Autosport that, "Webber was ordered to turn his engine down on the lap that Sebastian Vettel tried the move on him". Conspiracy theorists rejoice!
X (@ed24f1)
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/30/2010 06:12PM by SchueyFan.
EDIT: Apparently there will be a story soon on Autosport that, "Webber was ordered to turn his engine down on the lap that Sebastian Vettel tried the move on him". Conspiracy theorists rejoice!
X (@ed24f1)
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/30/2010 06:12PM by SchueyFan.
chet Wrote:
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> Great, for the first time to see (in the dry) JB
> and Lewis as close as that! LH is bringing out the
> best in JB!
Definitely, I'd say. Also notice the jump forward Jenson made when a bit of rain came down. It's like he comes alive whenever the track gets damp or wet. Lewis has the edge in dry conditions, no doubt about that, but the shift towards Jenson when it stops being dry is striking. Today we saw this balance illustrated brilliantly IMO.
It also was easily Jenson's strongest performance yet on a dry track since he joined McLaren. He was able to shadow Lewis all the way, and was much closer to Lewis's pace.
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> Great, for the first time to see (in the dry) JB
> and Lewis as close as that! LH is bringing out the
> best in JB!
Definitely, I'd say. Also notice the jump forward Jenson made when a bit of rain came down. It's like he comes alive whenever the track gets damp or wet. Lewis has the edge in dry conditions, no doubt about that, but the shift towards Jenson when it stops being dry is striking. Today we saw this balance illustrated brilliantly IMO.
It also was easily Jenson's strongest performance yet on a dry track since he joined McLaren. He was able to shadow Lewis all the way, and was much closer to Lewis's pace.
I just came out of work, accidentally clicked on my BBC F1 bookmark and then watched the highlights. Could not have had a better treat 
Vettel was being an idiot, masterclass from JB and LH.
Vettel was being an idiot, masterclass from JB and LH.
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