Italian Grand Prix Thread ***SPOILERS***

Awesome race! Throughout the entire race I had the feeling something was gonna go wrong, an engine blow for instance, but it didn't happen. Epic race by Vettel. He certainly is a potential WDC.

Yes, people were taking too much kerb IMO. Hamilton took the entire kerb on every chicane on every lap. It annoys me. The kerbs should be made higher so you can gain time with them, but you are also risking car damage.

There is no such thing like a "new Senna". Vettel is now a LEGEND, not a new someone. grats to WETtel and STR

chet Wrote:
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> Was nice to see JB bashing
> piquet abit aswell, hopefully next time the tw4t
> of a driver will make sure he wont need to try
> barge JB out the way.

The tw4t is JB, he tried to push him out when both were leaving the Rettifilio chicane, not the other way around. He was clearly desperate given how s@!t was the Hondas pace. Im fed up of ppl bashing Piquet when he has done nothing wrong this year. When people will understand that hes a rookie in his first year in F1, therefore he has every right to do mistakes now trying to find the limits and learn the whole stuff. Better to do mistakes now than at the end of the career, similar to a certain scottish driver.

If you want to bash someone then bash DC for his '1 mistake per race' performances, this time it was Kazuki the victim. Like the Honda #17, he has more than 10 years of experience, hes gonna retire this year, yet he keeps doing silly mistakes and crashes everywhere.

Or you could also bash the Honda #17, 36 years, +10 years of career and yet he can't setup a car to take advantage of the conditions? +10 years of experience, Honda decide to listen to him to build their cars and they produced two s@!teboxes! With his so called "experience" he should have won a race in the RA106, yet it was JB who won it. The Honda #17 just ruined a good car after 2006. That's not coincidence; The Honda was slowly improving until 2006, then he joins the team, and now the car gets rubbish race after race...

Piquet has been doing well. Before Monza, he had 13 points in 13 races, a rate of 1 point per race, and given the poor R28 pace, its very good considering that six of the top eight places are occupied by McLaren, Ferrari, BMW. They can only fight for 7th and 8th places, yet Piquet managed a 2nd place @ Hockenheim. Alonso? Not a single podium this year. Piquet is not gonna be replaced @ Renault.

Heikki was bashed like hell last year and look where he is now. For all I care, all the Heikki bashers are now Piquet bashers, and they should go to hell for getting two straight bad critics wrong.

Again, congratulations to STR and Vettel for a great job. Shame Bourdais had a problem, I feel like it could have been a 1-3 STR podium. Hamilton drove well and aggressively, just like a champion, while his red scarlet rivals sucked bigtime. Kimi woke up too late in the race and did some great overtakes, so did Lewis, and the other ferrari didnt overtook a single driver without cutting the 2nd chicane...

Lewis FTW!

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/14/2008 04:47PM by Bruninho.

Nickv Wrote:
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> Awesome race! Throughout the entire race I had the
> feeling something was gonna go wrong, an engine
> blow for instance, but it didn't happen. Epic race
> by Vettel. He certainly is a potential WDC.
>
> Yes, people were taking too much kerb IMO.
> Hamilton took the entire kerb on every chicane on
> every lap. It annoys me. The kerbs should be made
> higher so you can gain time with them, but you are
> also risking car damage.

In early 90's, before the new reprofiled Retiffilio chicane, the kerbs @ Monza were high, very high. They werent using any of them until then. Yeah I have to agree, they should keep the car on the black stuff, thats just excessive track cutting.

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Well done to Vettel, a flawless race, and nice guys do win.

Great drive from Lewis once he got going, a shame the circumstances didn't go his way, but still pleased with Vettel's win.

It's just the sort of injection of interest F1 needed. Great to see that it's not always the same people who win.

On a side not - 60% chance of rain in Singapore should make life interesting....

Oh, BTW, guess what my GridBids picks were?

KR FM NH RK JT SV



EDIT: And I just noticed, there was only one retirement this race :O



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/14/2008 04:52PM by Nickv.

Brilliant, brilliant!

The average age on the podium was 23 years. Wow!!

I can't add much more to the praise people have already heaped on Vettel. This reminds me of Arrows in Hungary '97, unbelievable mastery to take a car like the STR and run at such a pace. The difference being that Hill was the reigning World Champion with over 100 Grands Prix experience, whereas Vettel is a youngster in only his second full season!

Sebastian Bourdais, the second best driver all weekend IMHO. How goddam frustrating!! He deserves a result, and he deserves a drive next year. I'd happily see him in the Renault instead of Piquet, for example.

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Im fed up of ppl bashing Piquet when he has done nothing wrong this year.

Other than be sh*t. Good to see Jenson putting Piquet in his place. Hopefully someone will do the same to Lewis after some of his moves today.

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DaveEllis Wrote:
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> Im fed up of ppl bashing Piquet when he has done
> nothing wrong this year.
>
> Other than be sh*t. Good to see Jenson putting
> Piquet in his place. Hopefully someone will do the
> same to Lewis after some of his moves today.

Piquet 13 points
Button 3 points

JB should just shut up.

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Bruno, Piquet got in second place because of lucking out in the Safety Car phase otherwise he'd be well down.

Looking at the present however, it's so great to hear the German + Italian National Anthem together again after such a long long time. Seb V drove an absolute blinder and owned Heikki, who btw was in a race winning car. Heikki needs some motivation now, and listening on from DC's interview in the pre race build up, Dennis and McLaren do have their favourites and Heikki's not one of them imo.

Ferrari was/is in absolute tatters. I don't know in what mind Ferrari are right now but resigning Kimi is bonkers. Fair enough Kimi was alive in Spa but in Monza he was in Sleep mode again and then woke up with 5 laps to go. Lewis started in 15th for god sakes and he finished 7th! Kimi was 14th and finished 9th and that in the last few laps of the race. Ferrari needing to use Felipe's so called "Joker" was a bad move. They didn't need to change it as they'd be driving at low revs either way.

Fernando presented us with a blinder again taking that chance to move to inters and by god what a time he did it at, he had the biggest of chances over the others and grabbed fourth. Robert was sensational too going from 11th on the grid to 3rd, BMW better sign him NOW.

Shame on Red Bull for getting their asses kicked by STR. STR have moved up from RBR in the constructor standings and they have been in the sport one year less than them. They were OK in 2005, horrendous in 06, and then moved up a bit in 07, but now they have taken an awful step back and now with 20% less team personnel then them, STR have won a race. Seb V surely must be scratching his head now.

WTF does that mean? Piquet is in a better car for starters, then there is the lucky podium (which Piquet himself said was lucky), so basically have no point there. Anyway, don´t turn this into another Piquet thread, please.

Bruninho schreef:
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> DaveEllis Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
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> > Im fed up of ppl bashing Piquet when he has
> done
> > nothing wrong this year.
> >
> > Other than be sh*t. Good to see Jenson putting
> > Piquet in his place. Hopefully someone will do
> the
> > same to Lewis after some of his moves today.
>
> Piquet 13 points
> Button 3 points
>
> JB should just shut up.

Button, however, is driving in a 'shitbox which is getting worse race after race'. And let's be honest, Piquet should've been on 5. His podium was stupidly lucky.

Nickv Wrote:
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> Oh, BTW, guess what my GridBids picks were?
>
> KR FM NH RK JT SV
>
>
>
> EDIT: And I just noticed, there was only one
> retirement this race :O


Yup one retirement and these were mines, i feel ashamed on taking JT, NP and TG but otherwise, YIPPIE!

FM JT FA RK SV NP TG

Monza972 Wrote:
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> Bruno, Piquet got in second place because of
> lucking out in the Safety Car phase otherwise he'd
> be well down.
>

Who the f*#k cares? Heikki did a similar thing at Fuji and everyone praised him instead of saying it was all down to luck.

airefresco Wrote:
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> WTF does that mean? Piquet is in a better car for
> starters, then there is the lucky podium (which
> Piquet himself said was lucky), so basically have
> no point there. Anyway, don´t turn this into
> another Piquet thread, please.

Better car? The R28 aero is as s@!t as the RA108 aero, just the engine is better. Yes it was luck but like I said to Monza972 who the f#$k cares? Luck is one of the ingredients needed for a good driver.

Nickv Wrote:
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> Button, however, is driving in a 'shitbox which is
> getting worse race after race'. And let's be
> honest, Piquet should've been on 5. His podium was
> stupidly lucky.

Stupid is your logic. How can he be 5th when there are six top team cars on the grid better than his R28? Alonso is always for most of the race around there yes but at the end its the results that count, so hes usually in 8th or out of the points zone because RBR, STR and Toyota are there too. A 4th place here and there - AND IN THE WET - means nothing compared to a 2nd at Hockenheim. For all I care, hes a two times world champion and yet he got beaten by a rookie in his first year again in a chase for a podium finish.

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/14/2008 05:14PM by Bruninho.

I never said 5th, I said 5, as in five points (13 minus 8).

Nickv Wrote:
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> I never said 5th, I said 5, as in five points (13
> minus 8).

[IRONIC] By your logic then we should discard the points from other drivers too. Like Vettel, he was lucky because the track got damn wet then... or Kubica because Lewis smashed Kimi @ canada... [/IRONIC]

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Would to see what Mark Webber says about his 'incident' with Lewis on the first corner..Lewis left him very little room there; his overtaking tactics today were a bit too hard, although they are enjoyable..

blackshocks Wrote:
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> Would to see what Mark Webber says about his
> 'incident' with Lewis on the first corner..Lewis
> left him very little room there; his overtaking
> tactics today were a bit too hard, although they
> are enjoyable..


Yes I agree, but at least he had balls to overtake. It reminds me of ppl bashing JPM's overtaking tactics...

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"Luck is one of the ingredients needed for a good driver. "
Luck, speed and consistency. Oh balls too apparently. I´ll agree with you that it is very hard for Piquet this season, because the car is not brilliant, however, you can´t judge a whole season from 1 race. Look at the bigger picture and it doesn´t look good.

I´m sure Fernando looses many a nights sleep knowing that Piquet beat him.

EDIT: God i´m slow at typing :D



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Bruninho schreef:
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> Nickv Wrote:
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> > I never said 5th, I said 5, as in five points
> (13
> > minus 8).
>
> By your logic then we should discard the points
> from other drivers too. Like Vettel, he was lucky
> because the track got damn wet then... or Kubica
> because Lewis smashed Kimi @ canada...


Possibly, but 8 on 13 points is a hell of a lot more than 4 on 64 (?) points. Piquet scored over half of his points due to luck, whereas Kubica scored only 6% due to luck. Vettel today had an advantage from the weather, but he didn't really luck into a 15 second lead did he?



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overall, excellent race - although I though there would be mass retirements, good car control from all the drivers..

Kimi - he's really nowhere on a wet track, isn't he? Nothing at all like previous years where he would really wring the every last bit of performance off the car; looks like he's just relaxing..Ferrari must really be damning the signing him on for another couple of years.