Brazilian Grand Prix ***SPOILERS***

i will cry if lewis wins... it will be absolutely disgusting, the boy does not deserve the title, he has been upstaged all year, he has made many rookie mistakes, and yes, hes a rookie, but because he is young and inexperienced does that make him more deserved? kimi has been class, won 6 races, lewis 4, off the topic the point system is a disgrace, i agree with awarding thru to 8th (esp with bmw being clear best of rest), but 1st should get 12, not 10.

please fia, dont hurt f1 anymore in 1 year.

The SWG protocol suggests that there is a chance the stewards' decision could be overturned.

However, there is no guarantee if Williams and BMW Sauber are excluded that Hamilton will be moved up the order.

Article 168 of the International Sporting Code makes it clear that it is at the stewards' discretion whether or not cars are moved up the order in the event of other cars being excluded.

It states: "The stewards of the meeting shall declare the resulting amendment in the placings and awards, and they shall decide whether the next competitor should be moved up in the classification."

source: [www.autosport.com]



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Yes true rules are rules neither ferrari nor mclaren were prooved to have broken any on the track.

BMW and Williams might have and thats the difference.

If they are dqd kimi and ferrari will have to deal with just like mclaren and lewis fans will.

But what people dont want is rules not to be followed yet again or next year teams could race with cool fuel and there would be nothing the FIA could do.

Yes just read that as well, we will just have to see what happens now.

People keep on about the lewis mistake which ones are people talking about as I remember 2 China and Brazil. I can remember more than 2 from alonso and kimi and massa.



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marcl Wrote:
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> Yes just read that as well, we will just have to
> see what happens now.
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> People keep on about the lewis mistake which ones
> are people talking about as I remember 2 China and
> Brazil. I can remember more than 2 from alonso
> and kimi and massa.



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> And they could've deleted the studio bit. Now we
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You are showing a little bit gaynes there

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What the pit stop thats hardly a massive error really.

3 errors all year then thats bloody good for a new driver.

If you look at the errors massa and alonso have made this year.

Kimi has made a few but the only real big one was missing the pits but kimi hardly ever makes errors thats what I like about him he will always get the car home if it dont break. Kimi just took ages to get used to the car.

If lewis could not win i am happy kimi did just as long as it was not alonso which is why i was not that upset.

I do wish though alonso would shut up now, i bet mclaren regret the day they signed him. All year he has done nothing but moan. If he has been an renault this year he would not have even been in the championship fight. He was quite happy last year when renault were trying to get their illegal driver aid made legal but he is not happy mclaren are appealing this as of course alonso can not gain.

A 2 time world champ got beaten by a new driver, got shown up by a new driver. Alonso will need to rebuild his reputation now. My views by tbw people might not agree



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marcl Wrote:
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> He did not drive like a idiot lol 1 mistake and
> was then passing people driving very well.
>
> We have seen worse by kimi, massa and alonso this
> year. Alonso spain and canada. Kimi his errors
> in quali and a few races remember he never made it
> in the pit for 1 race due to going to fast in the
> rain.
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> They have all made errors lewis just done his in
> the last 2 races.

Problem is that Lewis did these errors when it matters (or in other words, in a title showndown).

Alonso may not have been perfect at Shanghai but sure Kimi was the best in a title showndown scenario. That's why hes the Iceman - he is always in control of his nerves.

When it mattered, Kimi was the only one who did the job.

We can see a WC material in a driver when he doesnt crack under pressure or shows his very best to get what he wants in a crucial moment.

That's all.

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"I'm an artist, the track is my canvas, and the car is my brush."

The error at turn 4 though did not cost lewis the championship. He was back up to 7th when he had the car problem. China was also a team error along with lewis they should have pitted him. I feel it was china where it was lost and not brazil. 3 points from china would not have allowed kimi to win, that was the error that cost lewis.

"We can see a WC material in a driver when he doesnt crack under pressure or shows his very best to get what he wants in a crucial moment. "

MS cracked under presure twice as well.

I dont think I have ever seen kimi crack. Just feel with him sometimes he can not be bothered but thats just kimi, it was the same when he was at mclaren and i was upset when he left. Kimi - lewis would have been a great team.

Wonder where alonso will go maybe like jv his days in a top team did not last long.



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marcl Wrote:
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> "We can see a WC material in a driver when he
> doesnt crack under pressure or shows his very best
> to get what he wants in a crucial moment. "
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> MS cracked under presure twice as well.

Yeah, but you know what I think about this overrated former ferrari driver, no need to post it again :P

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"I'm an artist, the track is my canvas, and the car is my brush."

OK, so Raikkonen won the world championship. Good for him, quite happy that he's won at last. But why does he like chasing the championship so much? He was miles behind mid-season with no hope, and then McLaren f***ed up at the end of the season with the spy scandal. I reckon that could have de-stabilised their operation to the point that they weren't thinking straight (glares at China errors).

If McLaren do get that appeal and the Williams and BMWs are disqualified and he's moved up the order, Hamilton had better have a very clear conscience for next year. Nobody should have to win the title with a DSQ from other people, but if you break the rules, sh*t happens. Williams and Benetton did it in 95, but their wins stood and the constructors points were taken away.

And what's this about Ferrari being involved in the "cool fuel" saga?

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Yeah know I hear it, rules are rules, are rules.So if the team is guilty take the constructors, give them a fine ..... it's not worse than what Mclaren did because that was blatant conspiracy and if their drivers did not lose points why are we talking about Williams and BMW drivers losing points or being disqualified .... if that is the case then the FIA needs to over turn their original punishment for Mclaren and disqualify them, after all fair is fair and rules are rules?!

As far as Lewis Hamilton is concerned. Personally I don't like him or his little 'fan boy' club. Never the less if he won he would have deserved, it he drove well through out and coped with a lot in order to succeed. I like Alonso but the truth is Lewis drove like the Champion and got the better of Alonso mentally. However popularity does not win Champion Ships and he did not win in fact Mclaren was the big loser because they managed their drivers in the wrong way. Ferrari took the title and that's that, to reverse that decision would be to reverse all decisions that were made over teams contravening the RULES this year and that means if we are all honest, that Mclaren, ( Hamilton ) would still not be world Champions anyway so as far as I am concerned the Whole point of appealing is mute.



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Overrated or not he won the most set many records so the post about cracking under presure does not really make sence.

If you look at a replay yes lewis made an error but done a bloody good job in not hitting alonso. Its just one of them things but the car would have gone wrong anyway. So that error cost him nothing other than a few places which he would have got back without question.

The way lewis drove back through the field was a drive stunning the same as what kimi and alonso have shown in the past.

The thing that worries me a bit due to seeing it time and time again. People keep saying lewis will be world champ but it dont always work like that. He may never be a world champ look how long it took kimi and mika for example. yes they did it in the end but after so many years. By rights kimi should have 3 now and just like kimi mclaren let lewis down a few times this year.

The only thing more annoying than Hamilton's "Fanclub" is the amount of crap spouted against him tbh.

marcl with kimi, it was more so Mclaren letting him down... But yeah he did let them down at times too, as every driver does.

An observation on the race... I dont think Alonso gave it his all.. Kubica easily caught Alonso up and passed him... Alonso never looked in it all weekend, he deserved the title as much as kimi and Lewis but his drive was less than poor imo. Only good thing was his start and being able to take advantage of a cautious lewis.

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"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL

Perhaps we should just get rid of the races completely, and just have a Formula 1 World Championship decided in fortnightly installments by lawyers debating in a courtroom. This would also make the sport much safer.

In response to some of the above posts, Lewis and Kimi have done the best they could this year. Kimi JUST did enough to clinch it IMHO, so he's a deserving Champion. I think Fernando would have been a deserving champion too, since he's been the fastest driver IMHO, but I've lost count of the number of times he n00bed up and cost himself points. All it needed was one race finish, in 7th spot, and he would have won it in Brazil. Fernando's got only himself to blame for losing this one, which is a bitter pill to swallow because I'm a big fan.

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It does make me laugh in a way that people that stuck up for former drivers hate the fact that people stick up for lewis oh well how people forget.

Its not his fault ITV carried on like they did.

The Spanish press are the same with alonso and the Germans were the same with MS.

At the end of the day Lewis has done a fantastic job all year and people said alonso would blow him away this never happened. Yet people do not even see the good job he done they just want to put him down all the time. No other driver has ever done what lewis done in their 1st year and some did come into F1 in good teams.

I dont want to start going through things. I have been watching F1 for so long now and seen alot of drivers come and go but 3 drivers for me come into f1 and rocked people Kimi, lewis and Alonso. MS I dont think did he had some good drives yes but until 1994 he did spin and crash quite alot.

And tbh due to all the crap this year it is better kimi won or people would always say lewis won in an illegal car just as people still say about 1994



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I really can't be bothered with reading the 20+ pages that have appeared since I was last able to look, but tbh I wonder why I bother coming to GPG anymore with the way some people have been going on...



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Exactly my feelings with the 1994 thing.

All of this Hamilton bashing is starting to get on my tits. Completely agree with Marcl on this. Rookie mistakes all year? What have you been smoking? The only crucial mistake Hamilton made all year was in China, and I don't think even superman himself could have kept that car on the road. Even with his one small mistake in Brazil it didn't really matter, he would have got 4th from there. All of the main title protagonists have made silly mistakes this year. Raikkonen at Monaco, Alonso at China, Massa in Malaysia. The only thing worse than a bad loser is bad winners, so why don't everyone who is bashing Hamilton focus on praising Raikkonen (who is a worthy champion BTW) instead of baiting the Hamilton supporting camp?

He's had an astonishing year, and its only a matter of time before he wins a title. To finish second in your rookie year is nothing short of sensational. He's right up there with Raikkonen and Alonso as the very best in F1, and may well eclipse both of them in the coming years if he improves as he should.

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