sunil Wrote:
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> @marwood82
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> i think u should go through the transcript issued
> next day after cout hearing about this
> case.clearly ALONSO and de rose told to FIA that
> data from ferrari has been tested by both couple
> of times.
read it the day it published(if anyone hasn't btw, I’d recommend it its quite fascinating)
> MCLAREN are not stupid and in-experience to use
> exact copy of ferrari aerodynamics data and get
> caught ,they are well and vastly experienced to
> get good clues from those data where to use to
> build their parts
I'm referring to luca's allegation that there’s ferrari parts on the Mclaren.
Luca said, "It means that if Hamilton wins the championship, he will also win it thanks to Ferrari because there is a lot of Ferrari in his car."
Paddy Lowe gave statements to hearing to the effect that this was not possible due to the way Mclarens design/engineering departments are setup. (if you believe him or not that’s up to you)
from the FIA's verdict.
8.5 The WMSC rejects this suggestion. The WMSC has full jurisdiction to apply Article 151(c) and stresses that it is not necessary for it to demonstrate that any confidential Ferrari information was directly copied by McLaren or put to direct use in the McLaren car to justify a finding that Article 151(c) was breached and/or that a penalty is merited. Nor does the WMSC need to show that any information improperly held led to any specifically identified sporting advantage, or indeed any advantage at all. Rather, the WMSC is entitled to treat possession of another team's information as an offence meriting a penalty on its own if it so chooses.
- so the guilty verdict does not automatically imply there are ferrari parts on the car.
8.12 The evidence leads the WMSC to conclude that some degree of sporting advantage was obtained, though it may forever be impossible to quantify that advantage in concrete terms.
- even the FIA couldn't prove one way or another what had/hadn't been used.
so Luca's statement is completely unsubstantiated.
> Clearly MAXMOSLEY told that drivers champ would
> have banned but due to voting of members in
> council and sport sake we didn't able to do that.
> THAT"S the main reason they charged massive amount
> which is 100million pounds.
>
> NARAIN Karthikeyan who was test driver for
> williams owns club in chennai, india , we got the
> source information from them that in that massive
> amount fine 30%or less will be shared with ferrari
> in order to calm them and let mclaren drivers
> score points not the constructor points. Even
> ferrari was satisfied and they too didn't want
> this sport gets damaged.
i understood the cash may go back into the tv pot so yes ferrari would then get some of it, maybe thats what they were on about?(could be completely wrong on that one)
> The main reason in order not to ban drivers is
> because of hamilton, b'coz of him youth around
> europe especially ENGLAND shown much intereset in
> F1. if they ban sure the new comers of sponsors
> and others would turn back.
I think there’s a little anti hamilton cynicism creeping in there.
> FOr others who say Ferrari tainted this year
> champ's,
>
> will u be quiet and shut if something valuable and
> especially if it's costing ur hard work was taken
> by others against ur will. which we can say
> leeching from u .
>
> i am not supporting here ferrari, all i am saying
> this time what they did was right.
Totally agree 100% with that. Mclaren were in the wrong and deserve to be punished. Ferrari were 100% right to push for the issue to be investigated.
But we've had 2 hearings and a verdict that even ferrari have said they were satisfied with has been reached.
What i don't agree with is them continuing to moan to the media and making allegations against mclaren that they cannot prove.
The drivers championship is tainted eh?
hmmm, i recall Massa saying the other week that the constructors title wasn't tainted?
funny that, the title they don't win is corrupt, the one they have won is ok?
its been a sorry period for all those involved and the sport in general. it would be nice if we could get back to the on track issues. instead of having to put up with the continued trading of insults via the newspapers
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 10/03/2007 03:37PM by marwood82.