Hungarian Grand Prix **SPOILERS**
Posted by turkey_machine
i haven't read most of the thread since i last commented on page 8 (will catch up later), but i have seen the "official" reason for the mix-up of the McLaren drivers, and i don't believe it.
ok, maybe Lewis did something wrong by not letting Alonso through, but that does not explain why Ron was in a furious rage at the end of Q3, and it definitely does not explain why Alonso would be held for 11 seconds after his stop when Lewis was right there waiting behind him. if they needed to slot Alonso into traffic, they can still release him from his pitbox and just tell him to drive slowly down the pitlane.
why would Ron be so angry at the end of Q3 for something Lewis did wrong 15 minutes earlier? he wouldn't, so his anger was clearly at Alonso disobeying orders.
but the "official" reason is just a smokescreen to stop his driver or team getting punished, so you can't blame Ron and the team for protecting Alonso, it's better to have 1st and 2nd in the "wrong" order than to have 1st and 10th/22nd if they complained.
i've now seen Alonso has been demoted and the team won't score points, so that's fine by me, although i think just deleting Alonso's fastest time in Q3 would have been enough, or deleting all his Q3 times to make him start 10th would have also been enough.
M Schumacher got all his qualli times deleted at Monaco when he only potentially blocked 9 other drivers, so just deleting Alonso's fastest, last lap Q3 time would have been enough because that's all he gained from doing it. Schumacher's stunt was in the heat of the moment, so perhaps the punishment was a bit harsh, whereas Alonso's must have been pre-planned, at least with 1 other person, so maybe he should have had all his Q3 times deleted and should have started 10th, he'd still probably get a podium from there anyway.
but i'm glad at least some punishment has been given for it, or else there'd be nothing stopping any other driver doing the same thing to his own teammate in the future, because he would know the team would "protect" him, so he'd get away with it. but hopefully it won't happen.
RIP Jules, never to be forgotten. #KeepFightingMichael
ok, maybe Lewis did something wrong by not letting Alonso through, but that does not explain why Ron was in a furious rage at the end of Q3, and it definitely does not explain why Alonso would be held for 11 seconds after his stop when Lewis was right there waiting behind him. if they needed to slot Alonso into traffic, they can still release him from his pitbox and just tell him to drive slowly down the pitlane.
why would Ron be so angry at the end of Q3 for something Lewis did wrong 15 minutes earlier? he wouldn't, so his anger was clearly at Alonso disobeying orders.
but the "official" reason is just a smokescreen to stop his driver or team getting punished, so you can't blame Ron and the team for protecting Alonso, it's better to have 1st and 2nd in the "wrong" order than to have 1st and 10th/22nd if they complained.
i've now seen Alonso has been demoted and the team won't score points, so that's fine by me, although i think just deleting Alonso's fastest time in Q3 would have been enough, or deleting all his Q3 times to make him start 10th would have also been enough.
M Schumacher got all his qualli times deleted at Monaco when he only potentially blocked 9 other drivers, so just deleting Alonso's fastest, last lap Q3 time would have been enough because that's all he gained from doing it. Schumacher's stunt was in the heat of the moment, so perhaps the punishment was a bit harsh, whereas Alonso's must have been pre-planned, at least with 1 other person, so maybe he should have had all his Q3 times deleted and should have started 10th, he'd still probably get a podium from there anyway.
but i'm glad at least some punishment has been given for it, or else there'd be nothing stopping any other driver doing the same thing to his own teammate in the future, because he would know the team would "protect" him, so he'd get away with it. but hopefully it won't happen.
RIP Jules, never to be forgotten. #KeepFightingMichael
Pretty much totally agree with you Muks_C.
At the end of the day, Hamilton did nothing wrong going off at the start of Q3. It was the teams fault that Alonso didn't get in the pitlane first, and I don't blame Hamilton at all for not letting Alonso back passed, especially with Raikkonen so close behind.
Its clear to me that Alonso clearly blocked Hamilton and prevented him from starting another flying lap. This is outside the regulations and a penalty was justified, just because they was cars in the same team is not an excuse IMO.
It would have been far more sensible for Alonso to let Hamilton just get on with it, and then the team would have probably punished Hamilton if he did indeed disobey team orders. Probably something along the lines of letting Alonso go out first in Q3 for the rest of the season.
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/05/2007 12:33PM by FRESCO.
At the end of the day, Hamilton did nothing wrong going off at the start of Q3. It was the teams fault that Alonso didn't get in the pitlane first, and I don't blame Hamilton at all for not letting Alonso back passed, especially with Raikkonen so close behind.
Its clear to me that Alonso clearly blocked Hamilton and prevented him from starting another flying lap. This is outside the regulations and a penalty was justified, just because they was cars in the same team is not an excuse IMO.
It would have been far more sensible for Alonso to let Hamilton just get on with it, and then the team would have probably punished Hamilton if he did indeed disobey team orders. Probably something along the lines of letting Alonso go out first in Q3 for the rest of the season.
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/05/2007 12:33PM by FRESCO.
i think alonso punishment is fine, if he was starting second he would of only lost 1 place, but because hes so far down the grid no where near massa mind you :D hahah
he wont do it again
he obviously did it on purpose , very slimey by alonso
oh and regarding about mclaren not have LED's or anything on the wheel, are they in their visors, i remember reading something that schumi had all his LCD display shown on his visor
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he wont do it again
he obviously did it on purpose , very slimey by alonso
oh and regarding about mclaren not have LED's or anything on the wheel, are they in their visors, i remember reading something that schumi had all his LCD display shown on his visor
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