Hungarian Grand Prix **SPOILERS**

*Checks date*

For a second there I thought it was the April 1st.

FIA keep up reputation of making bizzare choices.

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"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL

NO, what Lewis did was wrong, he started it all, he should've let Alonso pass when he was ordered to, and then he should've kept his mouth shut and sort things out with Dennis and Alonso instead of going to the media again as he did in monaco, the b*stard... i hope Nick takes that win away from him.

F*** hamilton,i realy realy hate him now.
remember me saying befor (what a spoiled kid)first i was very upset because Alonso did that,but now i can understand him.
and FIA as allways,very Harsh on Mclaren.
this season is the most F***** up season of all my 11 years in watching f1.

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/05/2007 02:47AM by HakkF1.

what are you on about hakkf1
hamilton is justified to feel angry for what alonso did,granted he apparently didnt follow the plan
also this season is just like every other,
04 was a effed up season
well not if you love ferrari
quit your bitching

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He is justified to feel angry,if he has don nothing wrong,but effing Ron and not obeying team orders,am glad Alonso did what he did,Hamilton would have become nothing without Ron Dennis,i know he was going to bite the hand that fed him someday,but i didn't expect it to come so soon.

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Not only without Ron, but also without Fernando, Alonso gives him his telemetry and setup tips...

Hakkf1 I think you ought to give the complaining a break, seriously you're starting to sound a little off. First bit of on-track drama we get in a while and you go off slagging the drivers and the sport. I suppose you'd rather go back to the boring days of MS domination then would you? Was all set and looking forward to this being settled on track, perhaps even heading into the first corner but thanks to a an imposed penalty, pulled out of thin-air we're robbed of that. Even then you're not happy, in which case you might be better off founding an open wheel motor race for grannies to be honest.

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U r not Making sense Karan,i think u r just happy that Ferrai is going to close the gab in the constuctures.

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HakkF1 Wrote:
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> U r not Making sense Karan,i think u r just happy
> that Ferrai is going to close the gab in the
> constuctures.


And your just pissed McLaren is going to lose it!



(BMW Fan... So dont try your Ferrari hating trickery on me )


The Flanker is gone.

I'm not sure if I believe the story that it was Hamilton's fault. I think it was made up as an excuse for what really happened. Because if you look at it Lewis shouldn't have been angry over it, because he was in the wrong for being out first but clearly in the interview room he was. And that since McLaren were to start 1-2 why after quailifing was over did Ron Dennis slammed his headset done, he had the front row so then why get angry.

Of course am pissed of,imagine if Mclaren lost the title for 10 pts or less.
and notice that Hamilton shook Alonso's hand after the qualafing,if he was angry at him,he wouldn't have done that,but notice how Alonso walked away from Ron while he was still talking to him.if i was Ron i would fire Alonso the next min,because his arrogance is unacceptable

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/05/2007 08:16AM by HakkF1.

What I was trying to say was that I believe Alonso did it with every intention to hurt Hamilton or since he is not happy at McLaren try to get Dennis to fire him so he can go elsewhere. And as for the handshake of course he would do that in front of the cameras he not going to get into an argument with him for everyone to see, McLaren has enough on its hands. But in the interview room you can tell by the look on his face that he wasn't happy.

Hold on, hold on...

1) Ron Dennis states that Alonso was following team procedure
2) Ren Dennis intimates that the sequence was out due to Hamilton's error
3) Fernando Alonso was unaware of any wrongdoing
4) The incident occured off the racetrack, in a team's own pit garage
5) The incident did not endanger other drivers or team personnel

The FIA should not even have attempted to rule on this. And if they DO decide to stick their noses in where it is not necessary, from the facts it does not appear as though they CAN do anything.

Even at the very extremity of common sense, they might decide to penalise McLaren for something stupid like "bringing the sport into disrepute", but I'm completely at a loss as to why the hell Alonso has been given a penalty!

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Alonso was given a penalty because the FIA refused to belive his reasons for staying in the pit stall. However thos shows a guilty until proven innocent mentality, which isnt healthy.

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Locke Cole Wrote:
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> Hold on, hold on...
>
> 1) Ron Dennis states that Alonso was following
> team procedure
> 2) Ren Dennis intimates that the sequence was out
> due to Hamilton's error
> 3) Fernando Alonso was unaware of any wrongdoing
> 4) The incident occured off the racetrack, in a
> team's own pit garage
> 5) The incident did not endanger other drivers or
> team personnel
>
> The FIA should not even have attempted to rule on
> this. And if they DO decide to stick their noses
> in where it is not necessary, from the facts it
> does not appear as though they CAN do anything.
>
> Even at the very extremity of common sense, they
> might decide to penalise McLaren for something
> stupid like "bringing the sport into disrepute",
> but I'm completely at a loss as to why the hell
> Alonso has been given a penalty!


It seems that the FIA didn't accept Alonso's reasoning for the extra wait after the lollypop went up, and gave him a penalty for unsportsmanlike conduct...



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Nope, I'm recanting my initial post here because now Ron has claimed it was Hamilton's fault for not following procedure earlier in the session. This season is becoming a farce.

Looking forward to Alonso claiming the win, hopefully with Kimi a close second; both with heavy loads of fuel.

Bring it on!





Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/05/2007 09:55AM by Razorsedge.

I think it's good there is a punishment, don't know what to think about the penalty itself though.

I watch F1 because I want to see drivers pushing himself and the car to the limit to see who's best, not because I want to know who's got the dirtiest tricks up their sleeves.

Every sport is about sportmanship and fairness. In my point of view, that's seeing who's best at what you're doing, and in this case that's racing, not being an ass in the pitlane, Rascasse or where ever you are at that moment.

I'm totally agree with Locke. Why the heck does FIA care about what happens inside a team? If Alonso did something against the team, they'll surely punish him i.e. lowering his salary, or screwing up his setup Honda-like, or whups an additional pitting just 10 laps before the end. There are many options and FIA should care about other stuff...

Well, I think it is difficult for a driver to know the exact time he has to be waiting inside his car just to prevent Hamilton to do one last lap, specially because he had just 2-3 seconds to cross the line for his final lap, so it is too risky. Besides, in his (Alonso's) final lap Kimi was considerable close in front of him (5-6 seconds), so the argument of having to wait to avoid traffic has sense to me...What has Alonso to do, to go out just 1-2 seconds infront of Kimi to make it more complicated then?.

Anyway, this reminds me Monza 2006, that is: "I(FIA) don't really know is he is guilty, but in case of doubt, I penalize him...".

Acording to F1-live:
Ron:
"They were out of sequence because Lewis should have slowed and let Fernando past. And he didn't. He charged off," said the McLaren chief. "In this instance, it was Fernando's time to get the advantage of the longer fuel burn. The arrangement was, okay, we're down at the end of the pitlane, we reverse positions in the first lap. That didn't occur as arranged. That was somewhat disappointing and caused some tensions on the pitwall."

"We were, from that moment on, out of sequence because the cars were in the wrong place on the circuit and that unfolded into the pit stops. It complicated the situation into the result, which was Lewis not getting his final timed lap."

Hamilton admitted that he did disobey the team orders but he felt that there had still been enough time for both he and Alonso to squeeze in the extra lap.

"I didn't want to mess up my opportunity by changing places or whatever there was to do, and be open to being overtaken by Kimi and losing my place," said the Briton. "Then it would have not allowed me to get an extra lap. So that's why we had the disagreement, because I didn't agree with it and I didn't do what they wanted me to do."

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If all this story is true, Alonso is not so guilty ...