The Pass Under Question

I've just done some looking and some drawing and ...


**Picture been edited to replicate schumacher pulling out of slipstream.**


The gap before the start of the waved yellows

I dont know the rules fully, this is my opinion based on my knowledge of the facts. Schumacher was blinded by Panis' car exactly the way at the start of the German Grand Prix when Ralf Schumachers view was blocked.

well done mate... Micheal's move was completely legal!



Marc
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Agree but i felt this after watching the race highlights last night. The orig camera angle made it look like he had not passed but infact he had.

He did take a bit of a risk though as panis said he slowed down for the flag, but if he had not then would the move have been completed before the flag. anyway we do not have ifs and buts.

well done mate... Micheal's move was completely illegal!



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Tony

Well done. A picture tells a thousand words. The sad part is that everybody who's complained about this move knows that he passed before the first yellow flag but because they dont understand the rule properly felt it necessary to post.

"well done mate... Micheal's move was completely illegal!"

Err... TEAR!

the team should have informed him. illegal

Actually there are yellow flags waved at the beginning of the straight too, so he did pass under yellow.
But it doesn't matter, he could have passed under a red or a black flag, as long as it's Schumacher the Stewarts don't notice it.



Post Edited (09-29-03 11:48)

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Gsey

I understand the rules and have admitted that i made a mistake, seeing different camera angels tells a different story. And i take back what i said at the time

didnt even have him under investigation, and montoya was under investigation for yellow flag passing. team would have told him over the radio "michael, yellow flags at turn one, but pass anyway because we have the FIA in our pocket"

No problem marcl As you can see though there are still posts of people who just dont get it.

lol, for the millionth time, he had already overtaken before the yellow flag, so I really can't understand what all you anti-ms fans keep complaining about...

have a look at this:

Yellow flag:
If displayed by a corner worker, this means the subsequent section of the track has a problem that requires that drivers slow down and not make any passes. Usually this is because a car has crashed and is in a dangerous position. If the starter displays two yellow flags, it signifies a full-course caution, which prompts the pace car to enter the track and lead the cars around at reduced speed

"Subsequent section" means the following section of the track... therefore the cars may not overtake after the yellow flag, but are free to do so before it...



Marc
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as usual the rules are a bit hairy.

this taken from another post:

This is a signal of danger and should be shown to drivers in two ways with the following meanings:

Single waved: Reduce your speed, do not overtake and be prepared to change direction. There is a hazard beside or partly on the track.
Double waved: Reduce your speed, do not overtake and be prepared to change direction or stop. There is a hazard wholly or partly blocking the track.
Yellow flags should normally be shown only at the marshals' post immediately preceding the hazard.

In some cases however the Clerk of the Course may order them to be shown at more than one marshals' post preceding an incident.

Overtaking is not permitted between the first yellow flag and the green flag displayed after the incident.


shown to drivers - that yellow flag at that time is being shown to ms and panis.

so those two should follow the rules and do not overtake

but then it says Overtaking is not permitted between the first yellow flag ...

so once its shown, no overtaking, and none between that and the green.





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Tony

I undertand what you are saying b-tone but thats not how it works. Going by your picture there are 4 cars that have moved out of the slipstream to overtake before that flag. Your saying that all 4 cars have to back off even though 2 of them are miles away from the corner. sorry but it doesnt work that way.

all 4 cars are ms and panis.

There is just one thing though MS top speed down the str8, was it faster on that lap?



Post Edited (09-29-03 12:24)

ah yes i see that now... very well done. I didnt look close enough at the livery. Still its pretty clear that there was no yellow flags further up the straight.

Not sure but because the yellow flag started well into the braking zone it wouldnt make any difference as they are slowing down anyway

JESUS @#$%& CHRIST GUYS!! READ GSEY'S FLAG RULE TREAD BEFORE SPREADING SOURPOUR OUT!!! MS's MOVE IS LEGAL, NOW PLEASE STOP THIS IDIOTY!!

There were no other yellow flags up the str8 that was the only one.

The flags in the USA were very poor anyway blue flags were not shown either

But they were shown to the drivers. SHOWN TO THE DRIVERS.

The rules don't say "Don't overtake after passing the yellow flag",

They say "DON'T OVERTAKE WHEN THE FLAGS ARE SHOWN TO YOU".

There is a difference between passing the flag and the flag been shown to you. If it was about passing it, you can't take about "showing it to the drivers". This means that the yellow flag rules apply as sson as tghe flag is SHOWN to the drivers, that means when they SEE it, not when they pass it.

This is what the rules say, even the rules GSEY quoted. JESUS @#$%& CHRIST, norse54, can't you read?

Explain this and then stop complaining about us complaining, norse54.



Post Edited (09-29-03 13:50)

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