Proposed 2008 Regulation Changes
Posted by Zcott
Summary of the main changes proposed for 2008
Engines
All components of the engine will be controlled by an Electronic Control Unit (ECU) which has been manufactured by an FIA designated supplier to an agreed specification
The ECU may only be used with FIA approved software and may only be connected to the control system wiring loom, sensors and actuators as specified by the FIA
All control sensors, actuators and FIA monitoring sensors will be specified and homologated by the FIA
The control system wiring loom connectivity will be specified by the FIA
A 3 litre V10 engine will remain an option for teams unable to obtain a 2.4 litre V8, but subject to similar strict performance limitations as in 2006 and 2007
Reasons
To eliminate the use of driver aids such as traction control
As teams will not be able to develop their own ECUs, expenditure on electronics will be considerably reduced
To allow the FIA to check testing mileage and other elements
To keep engine costs low for the smaller independent teams
Gearboxes
All cars will be fitted with gear ratios, final drive ratios and differentials which have been manufactured by an FIA designated supplier to an agreed specification
Gear changing will only be permitted by the use of a manually operated mechanical linkage to the gearbox
Clutches will only be operated via a foot pedal connected mechanically to a release mechanism
Reasons
To restore control over the clutch and gear changing to the driver
The use of standard gearbox internals will result in a very significant reduction in expenditure
Bodywork
Downforce will be reduced to approximately 10% of current levels
Drag will be maintained at current levels
Overall car width will be increased
By stipulating maximum and minimum dimensions cars will be “cleaned up” with devices such as barge boards, flip ups, winglets and other small add on parts r
emoved
Total advertising area on the car to remain unchanged
Reasons
To reduce the reliance upon downforce as a means of improving performance
By increasing mechanical grip the likelihood of one car being able to follow another closely in corners, and hence be in an attacking position at the end of the following straight, will be increased
Eliminating winglets, bargeboards, etc, will reduce costs as well as the danger of debris on the circuits
Drag should remain unchanged in order to ensure straight line speeds do not increase significantly
Wheels and Tyres
Tyres will be supplied by one manufacturer appointed by the FIA after an invitation to tender. Such an appointment will be conditional upon:
A suitable supplier being available
A suitable system to ensure tyre testing is carried out in an equitable manner
No team being disadvantaged by the appointment of a single supplier (detailed regulations will be written to ensure this would not be the case)
There being no legal impediments during the process of appointing a supplier
Slick tyres will be introduced for use in dry weather
Lower profile tyres will be introduced
Significantly larger wheels with minimum and maximum sizes stipulated for front and rear will be permitted
Tyre blankets and other heating devices will be prohibited
All tyre regulations will reside in the Technical Regulations
Reasons
A single supplier would allow a bigger safety margin
The absence of competitive tyre testing would reduce costs
As relatively small differences in tyre compound and construction can have a significant effect on lap times, a single tyre supplier would simply ensure that no team would be adversely affected by being contracted to the “wrong” supplier
Slick tyres would be re-introduced as a part of the low-downforce and high-mechanical-grip package
Lower profile tyres would be introduced in order to give the wheels and tyres a more modern look and also permit more freedom on brakes and suspension
A ban on tyre heating devices would eliminate this significant but unnecessary expenditure
Chassis
The minimum height of the centre of gravity of the chassis will be specified
The minimum weight for a chassis will be specified
Energy of all impact tests will be increased
Loads for all static tests will be increased
Side intrusion test requirements will be increased
Ballast will be reduced to minimal levels
Reasons
To ensure that weight is distributed throughout the chassis
The centre of gravity requirement should result in less pure ballast being used, the minimum weight will have to be achieved by the construction of a stronger chassis
By raising the impact test speeds, the static load criteria on structures such as roll hoops and increasing the penetration resistance, drivers will be even better protected than they are at present
Brakes
All cars will be fitted with brake discs, pads and callipers which have been manufactured by an FIA designated supplier to an agreed specification
Reason
To reduce the cost of continual development of new materials and designs, the FIA specified products will be designed to work on all types of track and last an entire Grand Prix weekend
Data Acquisition and Telemetry
With specific exceptions, any data acquisition system, telemetry system or associated sensors additional to those associated with the ECU will be physically separate and completely isolated from the control electronics
Pit to car telemetry will be prohibited
Reasons
To ensure that any data acquisition system used by a team cannot interfere with the FIA specified ECU and sensors
To ensure teams are unable to send messages to a car and potentially affect its performance
Materials
Limitations, similar to those within the 2006 engine regulations, will be imposed on all parts of the car
Reason
Costs will be reduced as research into exotic materials will be unnecessary
Starter
All cars will be equipped with a driver operated starter which is capable of starting the car without outside assistance a minimum number of times
Reasons
To simplify the operation of starting a car, at present it is massively complex
To give the driver a chance of starting a car unaided in the event of it stopping on the track
To reduce the number of personnel needed at an Event and hence reduce costs
Notice of Change
Notice periods for changing the rules will be related to the effect (if any) of a change on the design of a car rather than an artificial distinction between “sporting” and “technical” regulations. There will no longer be a distinction between changes to the engine, transmission or chassis.
Reason
To ensure that changes may be made to the regulations in a timely and more realistic way
Spare Cars **
Spare cars will be prohibited, i.e. no team may have more than two built-up cars available at an Event at any one time. Spare chassis will be permitted but precisely what constitutes a car in this context will be clearly defined
Reason
By taking one car less to races teams will be able to save considerable sums of money as, apart from the cost of the car itself, fewer personnel will be needed
TESTING **
Testing will be limited to 30000km per team between 1st January and 31st December, subject to a single tyre supplier being appointed
Reason
To reduce the enormous amounts of money currently being spent on testing
Car Acqusition **
Teams will be free to buy a complete car or any part of a car from another constructor
How constructor’s points are to be allocated will be clearly defined after further discussion
Reason
To enable a team to buy a complete car, or any part of a car, from another constructor. As a result teams will be able to save considerable sums of money on the design and development of their cars
** For the purposes of the submission to the World Council these Sporting Regulations will be included as an addendum to the draft Technical Regulations.
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Engines
All components of the engine will be controlled by an Electronic Control Unit (ECU) which has been manufactured by an FIA designated supplier to an agreed specification
The ECU may only be used with FIA approved software and may only be connected to the control system wiring loom, sensors and actuators as specified by the FIA
All control sensors, actuators and FIA monitoring sensors will be specified and homologated by the FIA
The control system wiring loom connectivity will be specified by the FIA
A 3 litre V10 engine will remain an option for teams unable to obtain a 2.4 litre V8, but subject to similar strict performance limitations as in 2006 and 2007
Reasons
To eliminate the use of driver aids such as traction control
As teams will not be able to develop their own ECUs, expenditure on electronics will be considerably reduced
To allow the FIA to check testing mileage and other elements
To keep engine costs low for the smaller independent teams
Gearboxes
All cars will be fitted with gear ratios, final drive ratios and differentials which have been manufactured by an FIA designated supplier to an agreed specification
Gear changing will only be permitted by the use of a manually operated mechanical linkage to the gearbox
Clutches will only be operated via a foot pedal connected mechanically to a release mechanism
Reasons
To restore control over the clutch and gear changing to the driver
The use of standard gearbox internals will result in a very significant reduction in expenditure
Bodywork
Downforce will be reduced to approximately 10% of current levels
Drag will be maintained at current levels
Overall car width will be increased
By stipulating maximum and minimum dimensions cars will be “cleaned up” with devices such as barge boards, flip ups, winglets and other small add on parts r
emoved
Total advertising area on the car to remain unchanged
Reasons
To reduce the reliance upon downforce as a means of improving performance
By increasing mechanical grip the likelihood of one car being able to follow another closely in corners, and hence be in an attacking position at the end of the following straight, will be increased
Eliminating winglets, bargeboards, etc, will reduce costs as well as the danger of debris on the circuits
Drag should remain unchanged in order to ensure straight line speeds do not increase significantly
Wheels and Tyres
Tyres will be supplied by one manufacturer appointed by the FIA after an invitation to tender. Such an appointment will be conditional upon:
A suitable supplier being available
A suitable system to ensure tyre testing is carried out in an equitable manner
No team being disadvantaged by the appointment of a single supplier (detailed regulations will be written to ensure this would not be the case)
There being no legal impediments during the process of appointing a supplier
Slick tyres will be introduced for use in dry weather
Lower profile tyres will be introduced
Significantly larger wheels with minimum and maximum sizes stipulated for front and rear will be permitted
Tyre blankets and other heating devices will be prohibited
All tyre regulations will reside in the Technical Regulations
Reasons
A single supplier would allow a bigger safety margin
The absence of competitive tyre testing would reduce costs
As relatively small differences in tyre compound and construction can have a significant effect on lap times, a single tyre supplier would simply ensure that no team would be adversely affected by being contracted to the “wrong” supplier
Slick tyres would be re-introduced as a part of the low-downforce and high-mechanical-grip package
Lower profile tyres would be introduced in order to give the wheels and tyres a more modern look and also permit more freedom on brakes and suspension
A ban on tyre heating devices would eliminate this significant but unnecessary expenditure
Chassis
The minimum height of the centre of gravity of the chassis will be specified
The minimum weight for a chassis will be specified
Energy of all impact tests will be increased
Loads for all static tests will be increased
Side intrusion test requirements will be increased
Ballast will be reduced to minimal levels
Reasons
To ensure that weight is distributed throughout the chassis
The centre of gravity requirement should result in less pure ballast being used, the minimum weight will have to be achieved by the construction of a stronger chassis
By raising the impact test speeds, the static load criteria on structures such as roll hoops and increasing the penetration resistance, drivers will be even better protected than they are at present
Brakes
All cars will be fitted with brake discs, pads and callipers which have been manufactured by an FIA designated supplier to an agreed specification
Reason
To reduce the cost of continual development of new materials and designs, the FIA specified products will be designed to work on all types of track and last an entire Grand Prix weekend
Data Acquisition and Telemetry
With specific exceptions, any data acquisition system, telemetry system or associated sensors additional to those associated with the ECU will be physically separate and completely isolated from the control electronics
Pit to car telemetry will be prohibited
Reasons
To ensure that any data acquisition system used by a team cannot interfere with the FIA specified ECU and sensors
To ensure teams are unable to send messages to a car and potentially affect its performance
Materials
Limitations, similar to those within the 2006 engine regulations, will be imposed on all parts of the car
Reason
Costs will be reduced as research into exotic materials will be unnecessary
Starter
All cars will be equipped with a driver operated starter which is capable of starting the car without outside assistance a minimum number of times
Reasons
To simplify the operation of starting a car, at present it is massively complex
To give the driver a chance of starting a car unaided in the event of it stopping on the track
To reduce the number of personnel needed at an Event and hence reduce costs
Notice of Change
Notice periods for changing the rules will be related to the effect (if any) of a change on the design of a car rather than an artificial distinction between “sporting” and “technical” regulations. There will no longer be a distinction between changes to the engine, transmission or chassis.
Reason
To ensure that changes may be made to the regulations in a timely and more realistic way
Spare Cars **
Spare cars will be prohibited, i.e. no team may have more than two built-up cars available at an Event at any one time. Spare chassis will be permitted but precisely what constitutes a car in this context will be clearly defined
Reason
By taking one car less to races teams will be able to save considerable sums of money as, apart from the cost of the car itself, fewer personnel will be needed
TESTING **
Testing will be limited to 30000km per team between 1st January and 31st December, subject to a single tyre supplier being appointed
Reason
To reduce the enormous amounts of money currently being spent on testing
Car Acqusition **
Teams will be free to buy a complete car or any part of a car from another constructor
How constructor’s points are to be allocated will be clearly defined after further discussion
Reason
To enable a team to buy a complete car, or any part of a car, from another constructor. As a result teams will be able to save considerable sums of money on the design and development of their cars
** For the purposes of the submission to the World Council these Sporting Regulations will be included as an addendum to the draft Technical Regulations.
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lol i posted in other thread..
hmm interesting.. i like the width increase.. back to 97 looking cars lol
without barge boards sidepod desing will be interesting and pretty cool im sure
"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL
hmm interesting.. i like the width increase.. back to 97 looking cars lol
without barge boards sidepod desing will be interesting and pretty cool im sure
"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL
10% of current downforce levels?!
2.4 litre V8s?
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO. This sounds terrible.
Why is the pinnacle of motorsport taking a huge leap backwards?
2.4 litre V8s?
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO. This sounds terrible.
Why is the pinnacle of motorsport taking a huge leap backwards?
hate the idea of being able to buy parts from another constructor. defeats the object of teams being able to design and improve instead of just scabbing stuff from another team. stupid money problems!
as usual on the whole its gd, its obvious (to me) that Max has thrown a few things in there that he knows will get rejected, but some of teh proposals sound gd
Sim
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it depends what they want F1 to be about.
do they want it to be the pinnacle of Motorsport, or do they want to increase the competition and make more exciting racing?
the slash of downforce to only 10% of current level is a good idea for competitive racing, but its not an idea that helps to keep its title as pinnacle of motorsport.
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/16/2005 08:42PM by Muks_C.
do they want it to be the pinnacle of Motorsport, or do they want to increase the competition and make more exciting racing?
the slash of downforce to only 10% of current level is a good idea for competitive racing, but its not an idea that helps to keep its title as pinnacle of motorsport.
RIP Jules, never to be forgotten. #KeepFightingMichael
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/16/2005 08:42PM by Muks_C.
Looks a very good proposal for the majority of it.
- Slick tyres
- One tyre manufacturer
- increased car width (pre-1998 stylee again???)
- no more winglets, barge boards etc.
- decreased downforce on the car even more
- manual gearbox
- no tyre heaters and smaller engines and no spare car to keep costs down for smaller teams
etc etc etc.
- Slick tyres
- One tyre manufacturer
- increased car width (pre-1998 stylee again???)
- no more winglets, barge boards etc.
- decreased downforce on the car even more
- manual gearbox
- no tyre heaters and smaller engines and no spare car to keep costs down for smaller teams
etc etc etc.
Total advertising area on the car to remain unchanged
This is probably the most important part.
However, if it provides for interesting and close racing I don't mind if they have V10 or V2, 8 million or 80 bhp or whatever. F1 specs have always changed drastically over the years and no change really ruined F1. I say it again, I don't care about the specs or regulations as long as there is good racing.
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This is probably the most important part.
However, if it provides for interesting and close racing I don't mind if they have V10 or V2, 8 million or 80 bhp or whatever. F1 specs have always changed drastically over the years and no change really ruined F1. I say it again, I don't care about the specs or regulations as long as there is good racing.
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are they fu*cking stupid? I like some parts, but I hate the 'FIA designated supplier' sh*t. I like the idea of a single ECU but gearboxes and breaks?! come on, then we will have 20 cars with the same performance, and what will the lap times be if they reduce the downforce for 90% ? 2:30.xxx around monaco :s or something like that
Spare cars will be prohibited, i.e. no team may have more than two built-up cars available at an Event at any one time. Spare chassis will be permitted but precisely what constitutes a car in this context will be clearly defined
so someone crashed on friday because his brakes (that are from FIA) faild and he totally destroyed the car and he's out from the race because he will have no car to use on sunday?
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/16/2005 09:11PM by anze89.
Spare cars will be prohibited, i.e. no team may have more than two built-up cars available at an Event at any one time. Spare chassis will be permitted but precisely what constitutes a car in this context will be clearly defined
so someone crashed on friday because his brakes (that are from FIA) faild and he totally destroyed the car and he's out from the race because he will have no car to use on sunday?
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/16/2005 09:11PM by anze89.
But F1 has always remained the fastest and most advanced form of motorsport. If the rule changes come into place it will no longer be so.
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What are you on about? This sounds good. Proper gears, clutch, no traction control. This sounds better. If it works then it will be more about the skill of the driver than the complexity of the car - this is what it should be about. Still the car will have a big majority, but you will get back to better good style of racing and stuff.
I hear someone complaining that the cars won't have "enough gizmos" - that's the whole point, and I think that's a brilliant idea.
F1 has been to be honest quite @#$%& in recent years. It has been a bit better as of late mind though.
I think most of this stuff is good
Although I am not completely sure what all of it would involve and I can't see it all being accepted anyway.
H E L L O
I hear someone complaining that the cars won't have "enough gizmos" - that's the whole point, and I think that's a brilliant idea.
F1 has been to be honest quite @#$%& in recent years. It has been a bit better as of late mind though.
I think most of this stuff is good
Although I am not completely sure what all of it would involve and I can't see it all being accepted anyway. H E L L O F1 has never been the fastest. Indy racing is much faster and still sucks. F1 isn't baout acceleration either, since Dragster are bette rin this respect and still this kind of racing sucks, too.
If all cars have the same performance we'll finally be able to see how good drivers really are in relation to each other. Honestly, who gives a f*ck if laptimes are 2:xx or 1:xx? I don't understand this argument at all.
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If all cars have the same performance we'll finally be able to see how good drivers really are in relation to each other. Honestly, who gives a f*ck if laptimes are 2:xx or 1:xx? I don't understand this argument at all.
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Exactly, if this makes all the cars and teams even, but still allows the teams to design their own aero and other parts of the car, then surely thats the goal?
tripleM Wrote:
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> F1 *is* the fastest series around any road
> course.
>
Only what does this say if the cars have electronic gizmos to the brim that even a monkey could drive considerably fast in them?
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> F1 *is* the fastest series around any road
> course.
>
Only what does this say if the cars have electronic gizmos to the brim that even a monkey could drive considerably fast in them?
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