Race of Champions looks so COOOL

daveellis - And Schumacher couldnt drive anything but the Ferrari because of contracts

ls - Schumacher drove the Honda CBR 1100cc Blackbird

both of you cant br right. so who's been fibbing?

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/04/2004 10:33PM by rapid_f1.

lS is correct but only because its part of the fiat group, so dave is corrent in a way too

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He could drive the buggy no matter what cos it isnt a brand name :P He couldnt drive the Citreon or Pug WRC cars (will someone who watched the whole thing confirm/deny that plz)

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Yeah Shcumacher could'nt drive the peugeot or citreon because of the ferrari connection


I enjoyed the ROC but from the outset it was always going to favour the rally drivers

Despite it being on tarmac the nature of the custom built circuit suited the drifting style of drivers i.e rally specialists.

Racing drivers rather than rally drivers are used to driving lap after consistent lap inch perfect rather than throwing a car into a corner and drifting out of it like the WRC boys do

maybe next time the organisers ought to level the field a bit more and select a place that has an actual race track so the race drivers have less of a disadvantage to the sideways style of rally cars and include actual proper single seaters

maybe they ought to hold it at Rockingham next time?

that way you could include some nascar/cart action on the oval, DTM and single seater action on the touring car infield section and then construct a rally stage some where inbetween

then all forms of motorsport would be catered for and not geared towards rally drivers




LS's Tip of the week
ESSENTIAL OILS aren't essential unless you're an engine, a gearbox or a twat

well the ROC has always been a rallying end of season event, it would be a shame if that changed, hence why i was pissed off at the nature of the circuit. I dont think it favored the rally drivers over all after all buggys are a bit in between and they had ferraris to drive. Rally drivers are generally more adaptable anyway so it may have favored them in that sence, but not much else, it was setup to give each a good chance this year.

the idea is good LS but i think its a bit of a no go seen as there wouldnt be room to allow all that to be run at rockingham, there certainly isnt enough room for any type of rally stage i dont think.

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If they could fit the same size sort of area that they had in the satade de france somewhere in the paddock area they could gravel it to make a rally course




it amazed me that the so called race of champions cater more for the rally driver style of driving more than anything, and was unfair for the other competitors




LS's Tip of the week
ESSENTIAL OILS aren't essential unless you're an engine, a gearbox or a twat

Wonder what Flav thought of Heikki Kovalainen's results today?

wonder if Fisi is worried




LS's Tip of the week
ESSENTIAL OILS aren't essential unless you're an engine, a gearbox or a twat

I doubt fisi is worried lol...although Alsonso should be! his reputation may well be finished by the end of the season

it was good to watch for a bit, interesting although the interviewer was a clear twat


what was nice to see was loeb drifting it round some of the corners clearly for show more than anything and still winning

Yeah Shcumacher could'nt drive the peugeot or citreon because of the ferrari connection

what happened? did he sit in the car and try to start the engine, but it wouldn't start because iot identified him as a ferrari driver!!

its like in that simpsons episode where they're on the run, and Homers licence has been taken.

they jump in the car, and one of the other family members says "But you can't drive, you haven't got your license", and Homer starts the cars, and said, "Well I'll give it a try", and when he pulls away, "IT WORKED!".

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From F1-live:
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ROC - Kovalainen puts Schumacher in shade
Kovalainen most impressive in Race of Champions


Seven-time World Champion Michael Schumacher found himself overshadowed on Saturday as young Finn Heikki Kovalainen beat him on his way to winning the Race of Champions at the Stade de France.

The 23-year-old Finn, the 2004 Nissan World Series winner, became the youngest driver to win the event which features the world's top drivers competing against each other in a variety of cars.

Kovalainan beat defending champion, and recently crowned world rally champion Sebastien Loeb of France in the final. Watched by 60,000 people, the Finn eliminated David Coulthard in his first match and then disposed of Jean Alesi.

That put him into the semi-final where be beat Schumacher by just under a second. Schumacher was unworried by the defeat, preferring to concentrate on the event's fund-raising for a spinal and brain charity.

Loeb made the final beating Tony Kanaan, Armin Schwarz and 2003 Champion of Champions Marcus Gronholm. The final was wrapped up in two legs two cars - a world rally Peugeot 307 and a Ferrari 360 Modena.

The Finn won both. "I just can't believe it," said Kovalainan. "Especially the fact that I beat rallying's World Champion in a WRC car. Amazing! And it's not every day you get a chance to beat Michael Schumacher. That was a big moment. I just tried to attack a little harder, brake a little later."

Race of Champions - Times

ROC Car

Michael Schumacher 1:43.6905
Sebastien Bourdais 1:43.9553
Jean Alesi 1:44.8707
Casey Mears 1:45.4170
Heikki Kovalainen 1:45.8988
Felipe Massa 1:53.6368 (+10)
David Coulthard 1:56.9983 (+10)<
Kenny Brack 1:59.0832 (+10)<

Ferrari 360 Modena Challenge

Heikki Kovalainen 1:45.3851
Michael Schumacher 1:49.2940
Jean Alesi 1:50.6410
Sebastien Bourdais 1:52.5493
Sebastien Loeb 1:55.5842

Peugeot 307 WRC

Heikki Kovalainen 1:42.2602
Sebastien Loeb 1:43.0579
Marcus Gronholm 1:45.2022
Mattias Ekstrom 1:46.5447
Stephane Sarrazin 1:47.6678
Armin Schwarz 1:50.7135
Tony Kanaan 1:54.8822 (+10)<
Jimmie Johnson 2:18.5842 (+10)<

Citroen Xsara WRC

Sebastien Loeb 1:44.0306
Marcus Gronholm 1:44.6967
Armin Schwarz 1:47.3488
Mattias Ekstrom 1:48.7732
Colin McRae 1:58.7684 (+10)<
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Notice that the only one truly affected by penalties was Massa, as Schumi would have been out right away

the times arent really representative because the track got faster as the evening went on.

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I just put there so people can have a notion of how it went, and how the penalties affected some

Loeb was fastest in the Citreon!!! Didn't see that coming :P

LOL bernie, wow what happend to Jimmy Johnson?

Once you've hit the wall theres no point in pushing is there?

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that rule is rubbish, i used to love this event in gran canaria because it was usually pure mayhem.

I remember a few years ago, Robby Gordon in a SEAT was leading becuase the other guy crashed, then all on his own, clipped a bank and barrell rolled down the track and stopped on his roof.

They used to have alot of motogp and superbike riders doing it too, really made for a cracking event. It seems like the FIA have got involved now because it looks so sanitised and dull. Just like F1 is now.

ah well, good show from Heikki.

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lol loeb quicker than gronholm in the peugeot

Yes put it was on tarmac, if they would race on gravel Gronholm would be quicker.

yes but you see the thing about rallying nowadays is theres almost as many tarmac rallies as gravel and snoooooow ones


besides, i beg to differ - this is cool: