The 2011 Formula One Season
Posted by madotter
So does this mean there's a Fake Fake Lotus now? :-/
@loque: there is a difference because in this case the livery is inspired in a tobacco brand coloured livery
Yeah, but there should be no problem unless JPS is actually advertised. It's a livery inspired by a retro livery, not an actual resurrection of said retro livery.
EC83 Wrote:
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>It's a livery inspired by a
> retro livery, not an actual resurrection of said
> retro livery.
This, exactly. It's based on it. It's not a JPS livery because JPS don't sponsor Lotus. If they made an all yellow car like the Lotus 99T but without the camel would that be baccy branding too? No.
By the way, that has already been modified as a non-tobacco livery and it would look loads better than the JPS one
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 01/18/2011 10:47PM by loque.
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>It's a livery inspired by a
> retro livery, not an actual resurrection of said
> retro livery.
This, exactly. It's based on it. It's not a JPS livery because JPS don't sponsor Lotus. If they made an all yellow car like the Lotus 99T but without the camel would that be baccy branding too? No.
By the way, that has already been modified as a non-tobacco livery and it would look loads better than the JPS one
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 01/18/2011 10:47PM by loque.
gav Wrote:
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> If anything, it's closer to the Marlboro logos
> pre-barcode (the Marlboro logo without the name -
> just the white triangle intercepting the red)...
> while it's not directly advertising a brand, it's
> mimicking it.
Don't forget Ferrari also changed shade of red to match that of marlboro, even if it is barely noticeable.
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> If anything, it's closer to the Marlboro logos
> pre-barcode (the Marlboro logo without the name -
> just the white triangle intercepting the red)...
> while it's not directly advertising a brand, it's
> mimicking it.
Don't forget Ferrari also changed shade of red to match that of marlboro, even if it is barely noticeable.
An email from Ferrari:
"Ferrari.com is delighted to invite you to discover the new Ferrari. Online preview on January 21st at 12:00 CET."
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Which is 11:00 GMT for the UK Thing is I can see this when it's uploaded which is nice.
Even if it's "only" a road car not a F1 car.
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"Ferrari.com is delighted to invite you to discover the new Ferrari. Online preview on January 21st at 12:00 CET."
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Which is 11:00 GMT for the UK
Thing is I can see this when it's uploaded which is nice.Even if it's "only" a road car not a F1 car.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 01/19/2011 09:39PM by alexf1man.
Gigi4 Wrote:
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> gav Wrote:
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> -----
> > If anything, it's closer to the Marlboro logos
> > pre-barcode (the Marlboro logo without the name
> -
> > just the white triangle intercepting the
> red)...
> > while it's not directly advertising a brand,
> it's
> > mimicking it.
>
> Don't forget Ferrari also changed shade of red to
> match that of marlboro, even if it is barely
> noticeable.
I think an important difference is that Ferrari are still paid sponsorship money by Marlboro, whereas Renault aren't getting any money from John Player. Therefore, it's much easier to argue that one of them is 'advertising' as opposed to 'nostalgia'.
That said, why hasn't there been a similar fuss in Canada over the Ferraris?
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> gav Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > If anything, it's closer to the Marlboro logos
> > pre-barcode (the Marlboro logo without the name
> -
> > just the white triangle intercepting the
> red)...
> > while it's not directly advertising a brand,
> it's
> > mimicking it.
>
> Don't forget Ferrari also changed shade of red to
> match that of marlboro, even if it is barely
> noticeable.
I think an important difference is that Ferrari are still paid sponsorship money by Marlboro, whereas Renault aren't getting any money from John Player. Therefore, it's much easier to argue that one of them is 'advertising' as opposed to 'nostalgia'.
That said, why hasn't there been a similar fuss in Canada over the Ferraris?
Another twist in the story: JPS looks to be cleverly using the return of the Renault livery to get some free advertising
Source: Joe Saward
It will probably go towards strengthening the perceived link between Renault and JPS, even if no money has changed hands.
On the other hand, Bahar is pretty desperate, so he probably would agree to a deal if it could give him some funds to start another few motorsport programs.
X (@ed24f1)
Source: Joe Saward
It will probably go towards strengthening the perceived link between Renault and JPS, even if no money has changed hands.
On the other hand, Bahar is pretty desperate, so he probably would agree to a deal if it could give him some funds to start another few motorsport programs.
X (@ed24f1)
Without a doubt it'll strengthen the perceived link, but it still doesn't create an actual one.
As said already, it should just be a storm in a teacup.
As said already, it should just be a storm in a teacup.
I still don't get it. I think the black/gold jps livery looked pretty unspectacular to be honest. Don't know what all the fuss is about the 'amazingness' of this 'legendary' scheme. Meh.
Lotus 92 was pretty nice.
Jenson drives it like he owns it; Lewis drives it like he stole it
Lotus 92 was pretty nice.
So far the pictures we've seen have been with poor lighting and poor quality. I think ill judge what the car looks like when it goes testing.
Danm IMO the reason for the JPS livery was to just piss off Tony Fernandes who said beforehand he wanted to use black and gold. That and of course GL are sponsors. I want to like this team because ive liked the team since Giancarlo was at Benno. Thing is I dont like the GL approach to F1 much.
On the 2011 season, I know I probably say this every year but it should be amazing!
We know RBR will build a car, we can be confident Ferrari, be relativley sure Mclaren will. But I also believe Renault and Mercedes will be up there! Maybe not as quick as the others but i sure hope so! I really really really want to see Nico and Schumacher up front! If Nico get's the Mercedes he deserves the other drivers are going to get a real shock! :D
"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL
Danm IMO the reason for the JPS livery was to just piss off Tony Fernandes who said beforehand he wanted to use black and gold. That and of course GL are sponsors. I want to like this team because ive liked the team since Giancarlo was at Benno. Thing is I dont like the GL approach to F1 much.
On the 2011 season, I know I probably say this every year but it should be amazing!
We know RBR will build a car, we can be confident Ferrari, be relativley sure Mclaren will. But I also believe Renault and Mercedes will be up there! Maybe not as quick as the others but i sure hope so! I really really really want to see Nico and Schumacher up front! If Nico get's the Mercedes he deserves the other drivers are going to get a real shock! :D
"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL
I'm looking forward to see if Mercedes will make any real progress forward this year, or if they just prove to be a reincarnation of Honda, as some have speculated.
EC83 schrieb:
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>.....or if they
> just prove to be a reincarnation of Honda, as some
> have speculated.
not with schuey in the team bro, definately not.
Actually i was thinking of betting like 10-15 euro on michael to win WDC 2011. the coefficient must be a high one and the odds not so unrealistic
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>.....or if they
> just prove to be a reincarnation of Honda, as some
> have speculated.
not with schuey in the team bro, definately not.
Actually i was thinking of betting like 10-15 euro on michael to win WDC 2011. the coefficient must be a high one
and the odds not so unrealistici hope after like lets say 5 races into the season i will quote your message and P.S. it with something like : "... or can he" xexex.
btw murray said it well, love him or hate him, you can never ignore him. and yes i know i am a big fan of michael, but still thats what makes this sport so great. Everything can happen at any time to any driver
Off topic, dont you guys think that the dangerous accidents in the last 3-4 years became too much again:
1) coulthard wurz australia 2007
2) kubica montreal 2007
3) massa hungary 2009
4) webber and the HRT at valencia 2010
5) schumi and liuzzi at abu dhabi 2010
6) kovalainen at barcelona 2008
all of those were life threatning and thus, despite the great efforts that've been done to improve safety.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/24/2011 12:29AM by mitadumapaga.
btw murray said it well, love him or hate him, you can never ignore him. and yes i know i am a big fan of michael, but still thats what makes this sport so great. Everything can happen at any time to any driver
Off topic, dont you guys think that the dangerous accidents in the last 3-4 years became too much again:
1) coulthard wurz australia 2007
2) kubica montreal 2007
3) massa hungary 2009
4) webber and the HRT at valencia 2010
5) schumi and liuzzi at abu dhabi 2010
6) kovalainen at barcelona 2008
all of those were life threatning and thus, despite the great efforts that've been done to improve safety.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/24/2011 12:29AM by mitadumapaga.
mitadumapaga Wrote:
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> i hope after like lets say 5 races into the season i will quote your message and P.S. it with something like : "... or can he" xexex.
>
> btw murray said it well, love him or hate him, you can never ignore him. and yes i know i am a big fan of michael, but still thats what makes this sport so great. Everything can happen at any time to any driver
>
> Off topic, dont you guys think that the dangerous accidents in the last 3-4 years became too much again:
> 1) coulthard wurz australia 2007
> 2) kubica montreal 2007
> 3) massa hungary 2009
> 4) webber and the HRT at valencia 2010
> 5) schumi and liuzzi at abu dhabi 2010
> 6) kovalainen at barcelona 2008
>
> all of those were life threatning and thus, despite the great efforts that've been done to improve safety.
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* Lotus with Webber in 2010 (Kovalainen again)
Surely with the rear wing changes, if it suddenly breaks like Kimi in Germany 2004 (or if you do a Buemi, China 2010 and have your front wheels fall off) the impact will be at a higher speed and therefore more risk of injury.
Also Red Bull have updated their website so it now has their 2011 sponsors and car numbers
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/24/2011 06:13PM by alexf1man.
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> i hope after like lets say 5 races into the season i will quote your message and P.S. it with something like : "... or can he" xexex.
>
> btw murray said it well, love him or hate him, you can never ignore him. and yes i know i am a big fan of michael, but still thats what makes this sport so great. Everything can happen at any time to any driver
>
> Off topic, dont you guys think that the dangerous accidents in the last 3-4 years became too much again:
> 1) coulthard wurz australia 2007
> 2) kubica montreal 2007
> 3) massa hungary 2009
> 4) webber and the HRT at valencia 2010
> 5) schumi and liuzzi at abu dhabi 2010
> 6) kovalainen at barcelona 2008
>
> all of those were life threatning and thus, despite the great efforts that've been done to improve safety.
---
* Lotus with Webber in 2010 (Kovalainen again)
Surely with the rear wing changes, if it suddenly breaks like Kimi in Germany 2004 (or if you do a Buemi, China 2010 and have your front wheels fall off) the impact will be at a higher speed and therefore more risk of injury.
Also Red Bull have updated their website so it now has their 2011 sponsors and car numbers
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/24/2011 06:13PM by alexf1man.
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