Argentine Circuits - Summary *** Buenos Aires Restyle***

Posted by Peperonis 
These are the Argentine circuits 2006 version published up to the moment for Ariel Suraniti (Asuraniti).



All the circuits are used by the popular category TC (Turismo Carretera) of Argentine.

Exclusive of GP4-Argentina


Summary:

1) Buenos Aires - Circuit N° 12 v 2.0

2) 9 de Julio v 1.0

3) Comodoro Rivadavia v 1.0

4) Sudamericano de Olavarria v 1.0

5) San Luis v 1.0

6) Mar de Ajo v 1.0

7) La Plata v 1.0

8) Parana v 1.0

9) Rafaela v 1.0

10) Rio Cuarto v 1.0

11) Balcarce v 1.0 (Circuit Juan Manuel Fangio)

12) Rio Gallegos v 1.0

13) Salta v 1.0


Previous to register, also they can unload them of:

[www.gp4-argentina.com]

For it they go to: Descargas => Grand Prix 4 => Circuitos




Best Regards ;)



Edited 10 time(s). Last edit at 08/16/2007 06:07PM by Peperonis.
Re: Argentine Circuits - Summary
Date: May 06, 2007 12:55AM
Posted by: Jagdpanzer
Circuit N° 12 of Buenos Aires... is this the one used in the 1995 F1 season?



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Re: Argentine Circuits - Summary
Date: May 06, 2007 12:57AM
Posted by: Paco
no, that would be circuit Nº6, this one [www.grandprixgames.org]



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Re: Argentine Circuits - Summary
Date: May 06, 2007 03:18AM
Posted by: Jagdpanzer
If not 1995, then what season was Circuit N° 12 used for F1? Or was it used in F1 at all?



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Re: Argentine Circuits - Summary
Date: May 06, 2007 04:01AM
Posted by: Prblanco
Jagdpanzer Wrote:
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> If not 1995, then what season was Circuit N° 12
> used for F1? Or was it used in F1 at all?

No it wasn't.

1953-1960 Circuit #2
1972-1973 Circuit #9
1974-1981 Circuit #15
1995-1998 Circuit #6 with Senna 'S'

#12 is used by Turismo Carretera (I think that's the name) from Argentina, and Brazilian Stock Car races there at the #7.


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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/06/2007 04:02AM by Prblanco.
Re: Argentine Circuits - Summary
Date: May 06, 2007 07:51AM
Posted by: Jagdpanzer
Thanks for clearing this up for me Prblanco!

Maybe one day we will see the #15 and #6 for GP4! :)



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Re: Argentine Circuits - Summary
Date: May 06, 2007 01:29PM
Posted by: paranoik0
Wait.. these are all already finished and available for GP4? Impressive!

I'm going to try now driving some of these
Re: Argentine Circuits - Summary
Date: May 06, 2007 02:35PM
Posted by: paranoik0
Ok I drove a couple laps on Buenos Aires and Rio Blanco and this is what I think:

- CC-line feels a bit weird. I didn't get to know the tracks very well so it might influence, and I've tried building CC-lines before and failed massively so I'm no specialist, but it doesn't feel optimal: taking turns far from the apex, not using the whole track width to take the turns, etc.

- The 200/100/50 metres signs sometimes are in the wrong side of the road. I don't know if things are like this in the real tracks, but I doubt it is this way.

- There are no elevations, tracks look flat. I know throwing this into the mix makes track building much more complicated, but it makes the end product much better too.

The good things:

- The graphics are fine. Not incredible hi-res, but I noticed some objects which seemed specifically done for the track.

- It seems very stable, no game crashing or anything, which means these can be used as a very good starting point for future versions.
Re: Argentine Circuits - Summary
Date: May 06, 2007 06:57PM
Posted by: Peperonis
Sorry for the mistake, is that there are many variants.

GP de la Republica Argentina de F1:



Circuit ° 2 (3,912 km): (1953)



Circuit ° 2 Inverse (3,912 km): (1954 - 1960) except 1959



Circuit n° 9 (3,345 km): (1972 - 1973)



Circuit n° 15 (5,968 km): (1974 - 1981) except 1976



Circuit n° 6 (4,259 km): (1995 - 1998)




TC (Turismo Carretera):

Circuit n° 12 (5,641 km):






Best Regards ;)
Re: Argentine Circuits - Summary
Date: May 06, 2007 07:10PM
Posted by: Ruboy
paranoik0 Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------

> - CC-line feels a bit weird. I didn't get to know
> the tracks very well so it might influence, and
> I've tried building CC-lines before and failed
> massively so I'm no specialist, but it doesn't
> feel optimal: taking turns far from the apex, not
> using the whole track width to take the turns,
> etc.

Unfortunately this is the problem with many new tracks...many track makers (of course not all) pay no attention to the cc-line and it is quite bad so that driving is not much fun....especially for keyboarders.

Re: Argentine Circuits - Summary
Date: May 06, 2007 07:48PM
Posted by: paranoik0
Haven't found any other new tracks with that problem.. except for my own attempts :D
Re: Argentine Circuits - Summary
Date: May 09, 2007 03:42AM
Posted by: Peperonis
I publish the track Juan Manuel Fangio of the city of Balcarce, Buenos Aires, Argentina.



Balcarce v 1.0 (Circuit Juan Manuel Fangio)

Download of: [www.gp4-argentina.com]

For it they go to: Descargas => Grand Prix 4 => Circuitos




Best Regards ;)
Re: Argentine Circuits - Summary
Date: May 09, 2007 08:31AM
Posted by: b-tone
> I publish the track Juan Manuel Fangio of the city of Balcarce, Buenos Aires, Argentina.

Looks ok, but it could be improved quite a lot with some minor work


Ruboy Wrote:
> Unfortunately this is the problem with many new
> tracks...many track makers (of course not all) pay
> no attention to the cc-line and it is quite bad so
> that driving is not much fun....especially for
> keyboarders.


Its hard to get a cc line to suit everyone though. Keyboarders have their own styles which might not always suit cc lines. And with a wheel it doesn't matter so much, as long as the cc cars aren't doing anything silly.

____
Tony

That's true that keyboarders have their own driving style...but the cc-lines I am refering to are two meters away from the apex, do not exploit the whole width of the track, cause remarkable speed differences between cc-cars and player car and simply don't allow smooth driving ;)

good cc-lines make a difference to cc lap times though


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That's not so important. Laptimes should be determined by magic data and performance file, not by cc-line.
It is important that the cc-line is realistic, allows smooth driving for keyboarders and also cc-cars have realistic speed in the corners.
You should try to create a cc-line giving approximately very similar gaps for each of the three intermediates between your and the cc-car's fast laps. For example, if you are 0.9 seconds quicker than the others and the track layout is regular then you should gain 0.3 seconds per intermediate - or if the laptimes are very close to each other then also the intermediate should be. Of course this may vary because often a circuit has both slow intermediates with many curves and fast intermediates with straights at the same time (for example Indianapolis or old Hockenheimring). The cannot be this exact as I have described.
To underline this I give a example of how it should not be. I experienced this already but I have forgotten at which track. I was at the same level with the fastest cc-car...so lap difference of 0.0 sec. But now look at the intermediates: Int 1: +0.6 , Int 2: -0.8 , Int 3: +0.2
These are the fastest laps and it was impossible to go much quicker...or slower ^^
In this example it means that I was much slower in Int 1, but extremely quicker in Int 2 whereas the third intermediate (Int 3) can be considered as realistic. The same situation in the race - the result: Impossible to follow and overtake the cc-cars in Int 1, but much too easy in Int 2 because they are so slow, whereas Int 3 was realistic. That 's not a good cc-line and it does not make much fun to drive as it does not provide a realistic race.

Ok, I have explained my opinion and experiences a bit detailed now ;-)
I just wanted to show that cc-line should not focus on laptimes, but on realism, 'driveability' (does this word exist? ;) ) and similar competitiveness of player and cc-cars.
Latimes are determined by performance files (and magic data).

Sorry for spoling this thread with my off-topic explanations.

Nevertheless GP4Argentina brings out many new tracks for GP4 :)

So the circuit N°6 doesn't exists for GP4?
I publish the track of the city of Rio Gallegos, Santa Cruz, Argentina.



Rio Gallegos v 1.0

Download of: [www.gp4-argentina.com]

For it they go to: Descargas => Grand Prix 4 => Circuitos





Best Regards ;)



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/05/2007 10:23PM by Peperonis.
thanks, great news!

Sohle
Peperonis, it stayed impressed with the work developed having like base the track´s of the TC Argentine.
Excellent work!!! Fantastic!!
I worship the circuits of 9 of July and Rafaela, healthy a delights of itself I fly...
It has some bugs and problem in some CC-lines, but that affect in nothing the quality of the work made.
Congratulations to everybody "los hermanos" that contributed for the development of these track´s.
Was worth!!!

Peperonis, fiquei impressionado com o trabalho desenvolvido tendo como base as pistas do TC argentino.
Excelente trabalho!!!! Fantástico!!!
Eu adoro os circuitos de 9 de Julho e Rafaela, são uma delicia de se pilotar....
Tem alguns bugs e problemas em algumas CC-lines, mas que não afetam em nada a qualidade do trabalho feito.
Parabéns a todos "los hermanos" que contribuiram para o desenvolvimento destas pistas.
Valeu!!!

Peperonis, permaneció impresionado con el trabajo desarrolló tener quiere la base los rastros del TC argentino.
¡Trabajo excelente!¡!!! ¡Fantástico!!!
Venero los circuitos de 9 de julio y Rafaela, sanas una delicias de sí mismo yo vuelo....
Tiene algunos bichos y probelmas en algunas CC-lines, pero que el afecto en nada la calidad del trabajo hecho. Las felicitaciones a todos "los hermanos" eso contribuyó para el desarrollo de estos rastros.
¡Valía!!!

Célio Jr. - Rio Verde - Goiás - Brasil



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/09/2007 11:20PM by celinho.
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