2010 German Grand Prix ****SPOILERS****

DJSKYLINE Wrote:
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> Whats the big deal?!
> Dont know why Massa feels dejected when in China
> 2008, Kimi let him past to help with the
> championsip.
>
> For the fans?! Well being a Ferrari fan I have no
> issue. When Kovy let Hamilton past, I like others
> saw it coming, no real complaints as its part of
> the championship. Whats the point in holding your
> team mate up? Yes you could go against and win the
> race, but youd lose respect from the team.
>
> Us F1 fans who understand the business side of f1
> shouldnt see a problem with team orders, only 1
> driver can win for the Team at the end of the day.


Fanboy much?

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Is there any news about stewards meeting?

As with any other sport, spaniards always resort to cheating to win.

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Bigbrother Wrote:
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> DJSKYLINE Schreef:
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> -----
> > Whats the big deal?!
> > Dont know why Massa feels dejected when in
> China
> > 2008, Kimi let him past to help with the
> > championsip.
> >
> > For the fans?! Well being a Ferrari fan I have
> no
> > issue. When Kovy let Hamilton past, I like
> others
> > saw it coming, no real complaints as its part
> of
> > the championship. Whats the point in holding
> your
> > team mate up? Yes you could go against and win
> the
> > race, but youd lose respect from the team.
> >
> > Us F1 fans who understand the business side of
> f1
> > shouldnt see a problem with team orders, only 1
> > driver can win for the Team at the end of the
> day.
>
> Indeed, if they didn't give teamorders Kimi
> Raikkonen would never be a world champion thats
> for sure. They did it in shanghai were massa did
> an extra pitstop to let kimi pass and in
> Interlagos they did it in the pitstops.


huoh, shanghai wasn't an extra stop, he had to pit because he had pitted so early. interlagos was yes but kimi could have won it anyway because he was close all the time.

watercolours Schreef:
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> Is there any news about stewards meeting?


Not yet !

matt3454 Wrote:
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> DJSKYLINE Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Whats the big deal?!
> > Dont know why Massa feels dejected when in
> China
> > 2008, Kimi let him past to help with the
> > championsip.
> >
> > For the fans?! Well being a Ferrari fan I have
> no
> > issue. When Kovy let Hamilton past, I like
> others
> > saw it coming, no real complaints as its part
> of
> > the championship. Whats the point in holding
> your
> > team mate up? Yes you could go against and win
> the
> > race, but youd lose respect from the team.
> >
> > Us F1 fans who understand the business side of
> f1
> > shouldnt see a problem with team orders, only 1
> > driver can win for the Team at the end of the
> day.
>
>
> Fanboy much?

Why? i said i have no issues with any team doing it..... read much!?

Bigbrother Wrote:
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> Indeed, if they didn't give teamorders Kimi
> Raikkonen would never be a world champion thats
> for sure. They did it in shanghai were massa did
> an extra pitstop to let kimi pass and in
> Interlagos they did it in the pitstops.

No, Massa passed Raikkonen on the back straight at Shanghai.

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X (@ed24f1)

In brazil 2008, it wasnt even done in the pits.

Massa wanted to do it on track but on his inlap into the pits he made a mistake so Kimi managed to overtake on track anyway...

tv camera didnt see his mistake, check sector times





Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/25/2010 05:59PM by DJSKYLINE.

Ferrari's been fined $100,000 and referred to WMSC for team orders and bringing the sport into disrepute

from Jon Noble and Adam Cooper on twitter.


EDIT: If Massa made a mistake and Kimi got past it wasn't team orders anyway

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X (@ed24f1)



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/25/2010 06:03PM by SchueyFan.

giving a frontwing that is faster then the other one to a driver that is higher in the championship isn't that also teamorders ???

SchueyFan Schreef:
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> Ferrari's been fined $100,000 and referred to WMSC
> for team orders and bringing the sport into
> disrepute
>
> from Jon Noble and Adam Cooper on twitter.

They will pay the fine with a smile

All previous incidents were when the title was up grabs within a couple of races.

Here, still both drivers can win!

It's too early to get behind one driver for the WDC. We are only just past the halfway point!!!!!

What if Alonso breaks his leg in Hungary? And what if Massa then goes on to lose the title by a single point?

Ferrari are committing to one driver too early. Okay, Massa has been poor, but today he was simply awesome.

RBR, a team of little experience of front running have made them look stupid. I have to say RBR recovered well from Turkey, and Silverstone regarding the wing. Ferrari have done something much worse though. Thats it for the season now, Massa is a #2 driver. They obviously have no belief is his talents to win the WDC otherwise he would have won.

If this was two races to go? i could maybe accept. but not now. We dont know what awaits around the corner. Ferrari dont know. It was wrong and there is NO justification for they have done at this point in hte season!

If in 4-5 races time Button is 30+ points behind Lewis I would be very disapointed if Mclaren didnt adopt JB as a second driver. But if they do it at Hungary well, I will lose all faith in Martin as a team boss, and so will Jenson.

What will this do to Massa? His confidence has been low, he gets a hint of a win, drives perfectly and has to let Alonso win. This must be killing him inside, and I feel for him! he's a star man up against a c*ck. A c*ck who just happens to be damn good driver. Who probably would ahve overtaken Massa too if he went for it instead of moaning!

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"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL

Anyway, dont know why some of you are mucking Alonso's comment

Dont you remember what massa said after Kimi let him past in 2008 also?!



it was the best time for me in the race, I was quite strong and then I caught him and I passed him

Bigbrother Wrote:
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> giving a frontwing that is faster then the other
> one to a driver that is higher in the championship
> isn't that also teamorders ???


I believe the rule states "Team Orders that could influence the outcome of a race" - or something to that effect.

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X (@ed24f1)

DJSKYLINE Schreef:
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> Anyway, dont know why some of you are mucking
> Alonso's comment
>
> Dont you remember what massa said after Kimi let
> him past in 2008 also?!
>
>
>
> it was the best time for me in the race, I was
> quite strong and then I caught him and I passed
> him

The difference here is between letting someone by and being forced to let someone by. The first is legal, the latter is not.

surely Kimi would have been told by the team?! I dont think as a racer he would voluntary do it?! unless after 2007 he might have actually. good point.

NobleF1
Ferrari has been fined $100,000 and referred to the World Motor Sport Council for team orders and bringing sport into disrepute
less than 20 seconds ago via TweetDeck

NOTE: Further penalties could be applied (and probably will) at WMSC hearing
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Lewis and Mclaren lied at Aus and lost their points and posistion.

Ferrari have just as blatently lied to the press, should the same happen?

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"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL

Bigbrother Wrote:
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> SchueyFan Schreef:
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> > Ferrari's been fined $100,000 and referred to
> WMSC
> > for team orders and bringing the sport into
> > disrepute
> >
> > from Jon Noble and Adam Cooper on twitter.
>
> They will pay the fine with a smile


yes but they will most likely get even bigger penalty from WMSC

DJSKYLINE Wrote:
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> surely Kimi would have been told by the team?! I
> dont think as a racer he would voluntary do it?!
> unless after 2007 he might have actually. good
> point.


well kimi said after the race and even before the race that he hasn't got a chance to the title so he will do what is best for the team .

vesuvius Wrote:
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> DJSKYLINE Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
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> > surely Kimi would have been told by the team?!
> I
> > dont think as a racer he would voluntary do
> it?!
> > unless after 2007 he might have actually. good
> > point.
>
>
> well kimi said after the race and even before the
> race that he hasn't got a chance to the title so
> he will do what is best for the team .


ah right ok didnt know that.
Shame Massa cant feel the same, if he really thinks he stands a chance from that far back then I feel sorry for him