Monaco GP Thread **SPOILERS**

yep, James Allen said it was a typical McLaren tactical thing to let them race until the 2nd stops then tell them both to cool it. but he seems to have forgetten that during the Ferrari winning days of MS and Rubens, it was their policy, and Ross would often comment afterwards that he'd let them race till those final stops, after which they were told to hold station.

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/28/2007 05:29PM by Muks_C.

lol I heard on the NEWS that Monaco race is under investigation by FIA. wow how did this come about, nothing was said about it on ITV when i watched the race!?





Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/28/2007 06:22PM by gin.

Storm in a teacup.

McLaren have done the right thing in ensuring the maximum points. Too bad that Dennis had open his mouth for the FIA to pounce.

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Indeed if Ron Dennis would have shut up and didn't tell what he did they wouldn't investigate the matter, seeing what he told there i find it team orders which is forbidden since 2002.

What did he say what was wrong though? Thats what I dont get.

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"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL

I think that he didn't want Hamilton and Alonso fighting, that they had to stay where they are.

This is a tricky one. Yes, it WAS ordered that Hamilton should stay behind Alonso. But on the other hand, Dennis may as well have said that Hamilton had to stay behind Alonso because they might crash eachother out. The press may have left that part out of their story, they love to spice up things.

i'm not complaining about what they did or didn't do, it was sensible for Ron and Co to make sure they didn't fight and risk losing the points, but it did look a bit staged how Lewis immediately slotted in behind Alonso at the start, as if he already knew that he shouldn't fight with Alonso. any driver going for the win wouldn't have done that.

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Understandable if Dennis did, but a bit disappointing all the same. Did seem a bit strange how Lewis pitted only 2/3 laps after Alonso first time around, when Lewis afterwards said he had up to 6 laps extra fuel. And then at the second set of stops they bring in Lewis only 2 laps after Alonso, but he only takes 5.0s to be fulled and out, whereas Alonso took 7.8s. Seems like Lewis still had a fair bit more fuel left in the tank that second time round too.


"No it's not a skirt"

McLaren said they were guarding against a possible safety car. They have also said that they are free to race each other all season, but at Monaco the team dimension has to be taken into account much more, as they would look stupid if they both crashed.



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And I guess Ron is trying to secure as many points as possible as early as possible, he has so far had two Mclaren 1-2's.

When was the last time we had 2 Mclaren 1-2s after 5races? And until this season we have always wondered about the reliabilty of the two Mclarens... Kudos to Ron imo. He made a very good desicion, he knew aswell as everyone else who isnt blinded by Lewis mania, that he could not win.

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"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL

if mclaren get points deducted or anything then it says a lot abuot F1. think about all the times RB had to move over for MS...were they ever investigated? i think not.

Muks_C Wrote:
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> i'm not complaining about what they did or didn't
> do, it was sensible for Ron and Co to make sure
> they didn't fight and risk losing the points, but
> it did look a bit staged how Lewis immediately
> slotted in behind Alonso at the start, as if he
> already knew that he shouldn't fight with Alonso.
> any driver going for the win wouldn't have done
> that.

@ Muks

I know what you mean, but after the previous couple of races I think he was more bothered about keeping Massa behind him than letting Alonso get away. I don't trust Massa going into turn 1, so Hamilton is bound to not trust him either. Hamilton probably knew that Alonso would cover his line anyway (which he did, he left no room should Hamilton attempt to run down the inside) but if you were in Hamilton's shoes would you trust Massa not to make some stupid move down the inside? Probably not. Hence the blocking him immediately.

That's how I saw it, anyhow.

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i want monaco out,
> because not a single overtake over the race!!!!

Which race were you watching? Kimi came up the field pretty fast at the start. There were others too.

People need to remember that Formula 1 is a TEAM sport, team orders should not have been banned in the first place, I'll admit what Ferrari did in Austria was pretty stupid but teams should still be allowed to use team orders to allow them to secure good race results and then a championship

"What did he say what was wrong though? Thats what I dont get."

It's not a question of saying something wrong or even doing something wrong. It's statements like the one below that may have been enough to alert the FIA.

"This race is nothing about the drivers other than the necessity for them to drive really quickly and give us the opportunity to determine the outcome of the race. And that's my job.

"I don't like to slow drivers down, don't like them to be frustrated, don't like these things to happen, because I am an absolute racer.

"But that's what you have to do to win the Monaco GP and I'm not going to make any excuses for it."

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Nobody was asked to move over for anotehr driver, and neither driver was favoured over the other from what I gather. They were both held back equally, with Fernando having amply proven that he was the quicker driver on the day. Consequently, he won the race. I personally don't see anything wrong with asking BOTH drivers to back off.

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They just f*cked lewis, like in melbourne, so that fernando could "regain confidence and supremacy" over lewis, like he thought it will be before the season started. he needed that win, and he got it, altho i don`t think it will help his mental dificulties, which he is reportedly havin from being beaten by lewis.

@ Loque, i get your point about Massa, but surely Lewis put himself in more danger by being directly in front of Massa? Massa could have easily misjudged his braking point and rammed straight into Lewis and taken them both out. I'd rather have tried to attack Alonso and go through T1 along the outside of Alonso, and still come out second behind him, than park in front of Massa and give him the opportunity to hit me from the rear.

@ Montyman34, "all the times RB had to move over for MS"?

i remember Austria '01 and Austria '02.

before that, Irvine moved over for him at Suzuka '97.

where were all the other times?

and yes, they were investigated for Austria '02, but were let off, IIRC. the only punishment they got was for the podium ceremony, where MS made Rubens stand on the winner's step, and he himself stood in 2nd place. that was against FIA protocol so they were punished for that, but not the actual switching of places, although team orders were banned from that incident.

all this could have been avoided had Ron not said anything. Martin and James even commented that Alonso was banging in those really quick laps to show the team that whatever Lewis had to offer, he could counter, and so the team should tell Lewis to back off and just make sure he gets 2nd place, and not risk crashing.

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