Bernie wants to change F1 points system for 2008

It seems Bernie isn't happy with the winner only getting 2 more points than the runner up so he's proposing changing the points system for 2008 in an effort to persuade teams and drivers to race for 1st and a win and not settle for 2nd and therefore produce boring races where people settle for a safe 8 points rather than risk it all for 10.

Ironic isn't it? He changed it in 2003 because of MS' dominance and to help spread the points around the other drivers. Now he ain't happy. The way the article is worded it doesn't sound as if F1 will return to the old 10-6-4-3-2-1. Perhaps the winner will get 12 points? 12-8-6-5-4-3-2-1 gives the winner 4 points more than the runner up and also allows for the top eight to score points. Or perhaps he'll just make the top six score so maybe 12-8-6-4-2-1?

[news.bbc.co.uk]

And the history of F1 scoring on Wikipedia: [en.wikipedia.org]



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/12/2007 06:02PM by MarcLister.

it can't have been Bernie who changed it in 2003, it must have been Max and the FIA.

but i wish they would go back to 10-6-4-3-2-1.

so what if small teams don't get a point for 7th or 8th, why not just give them some money as a donation if they feel sorry for them? they don't have to contrive it by making more points scoring positions.

---

RIP Jules, never to be forgotten. #KeepFightingMichael

Muks_C Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> it can't have been Bernie who changed it in 2003,
> it must have been Max and the FIA.
>
It would have been Bernie saying so, and then Max and the FIA agree.

yes but ultimately we should blame the rulemakers. Bernie might ask for all sorts of things, but it's up to the FIA to think them through and only implement them if they help the sport. it was stupid for them to change them in a knee-jerk reaction to 2002, under the pesudo-reason of helping smaller teams with points for 7th and 8th.

so what if MS won it by half-season, you can't change the rules for a reason like that. if Arsenal or Chelsea or any team win the league with a 12 point gap to 2nd place, you can't say that the loser of each game can still have 1 point, just so the winners don't run away at the top of the league, it's ludicrous.

---

RIP Jules, never to be forgotten. #KeepFightingMichael

I agree with the way the points system was changed for 2003. I always felt the smaller teams hardly had anything to show for their merits and with so many teams getting up with the leading pace and super high reliability in modern f1, it would simply be a monopoly between the top three teams if it were to change back to the old system. What we need is stability now. I personally think that the current points system is great and dont agree with the reasons for changing it. If a driver was able to push for the win then he would do so regardless of whether it was for 2 or 4 more points, because everybody knows that you need as many points as possible.

---

Circuit Thermalito

Liverpool Waterfront Circuit (WIP)

Previous and current point systems are rubbbish. 12-8-6-4-2-1 would reward both the winner and midfield teams. More fair In My Humble Opinion.

In all honesty there are no longer any smaller teams in Formula One. The days of Minardi, Tyrell, Arrows, and Sauber, which this system was designed for are over. And were over back in 2003 when this sham was introduced. We all deep down know why they brought this points system in, and now that Schumacher is retired, its time to bring the ways of the past back. They definantly should bring back the 10-8-6.... system. I for one am tired of champions winning on consistancy rather than tenacity, settling for third rather than giving a balls out drive to win the day.

____________________________________________________________

Totally agree with you there marco.

"They definantly should bring back the 10-8-6.... system."

You mean 10-6-4-3-2-1? Absolutely!

Fincent Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I agree with the way the points system was changed
> for 2003. I always felt the smaller teams hardly
> had anything to show for their merits and with so
> many teams getting up with the leading pace and
> super high reliability in modern f1, it would
> simply be a monopoly between the top three teams
> if it were to change back to the old system.

what's wrong with that? as said there are no small teams now, so the others have to fight to beat the top 3 teams. F1 isn't a charity, we shouldn't feel sorry for those who can't get a point.


What
> we need is stability now. I personally think that
> the current points system is great and dont agree
> with the reasons for changing it. If a driver was
> able to push for the win then he would do so
> regardless of whether it was for 2 or 4 more
> points, because everybody knows that you need as
> many points as possible.

i don't agree with you here. a driver who is in the lead of the championship won't want to risk a move for 1st if he's 2nd, when he could settle for 2nd and definitely pick up 8 points.

we'd all like to think they would be ballsy in those situations, but F1 nowadays with this points system rewards consistency and not all-out guts, it requires driving intelligently with your head, and not passionately with your heart going for every tiny gap for the win.

---

RIP Jules, never to be forgotten. #KeepFightingMichael

Yeah if you want passion and balls watch karting, no points system change in F1 would cause top drivers to take unneccessary risks given how much money is hanging on them from sponsors, manufacturers, media etc etc

---

I think it's important to award points for lower positions. There needs to be some way of differentiating midfield teams from each other... so often nowadays the top 3 teams are hogging the top 6 places, and why are you so concerned with 7th and 8th getting points? It's not like any of the lesser teams are gonna be challenging for Championships as a result!

My personal preferred system is 12-9-7-5-4-3-2-1 for the top 8, but F1 for some reason goes all funny and suspicious about "7 points", so I doubt we'll ever see it.

---

K*bots UK, specialist providers of 'fun science' Curriculum Enhancement days for Primary and Secondary schools in Britain.
Please find us on [en.wikipedia.org] for more information.

when will Bernie gonna die????

---

Scuderia Ferrari Forever

When will you switch on your brain?

Bernie hardly has anything to say when it comes to rules. The man has the commercial rights of F1. The rules are made by the FIA. What Bernie says is a proposal, something he thinks that should be done. I could do the same. If I had proposed that very points system, would you want me to die aswell?

Not really, i only hate that man...don't know why, and about the point system, he has a word to say, he's not there only as a statue you know, he can make decisions too. Anyway, this hole point system change, don't know what to say, the rule that is now i think is the best...because if is gonna change from 4 or 5 to 5 years, than we will have a nascar point system (lol)...but i'm only a fan, a spectator, so at the end of it all, we only have to watch what the FIA wants, even if they try to make it more spectacular, more on our taste.

---

Scuderia Ferrari Forever

mschumi Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Not really, i only hate that man...don't know why,
> and about the point system, he has a word to say,
> he's not there only as a statue you know, he can
> make decisions too.

not when it comes to rules of the sport.


Anyway, this hole point system
> change, don't know what to say, the rule that is
> now i think is the best...because if is gonna
> change from 4 or 5 to 5 years, than we will have a
> nascar point system (lol)...but i'm only a fan, a
> spectator, so at the end of it all, we only have
> to watch what the FIA wants, even if they try to
> make it more spectacular, more on our taste.


and i don't know why you hate Bernie, he has done more for F1 over the past 30-odd years than we even know or can even imagine. he has helped to build it up to the global mega-sport it is today.

---

RIP Jules, never to be forgotten. #KeepFightingMichael

12-8-6-4-2-1

me likes the sound of that

---

[en-gb.facebook.com]

you like the sound of it, but how are we gonna help the itty bitty poor orphan teams who come in 7th or 8th? they will have to eat bread and water and live in boxes on the street if we don't give points down to 22nd place.

[/sarcasm]

---

RIP Jules, never to be forgotten. #KeepFightingMichael

I agree with the 12-8 etc system. But I also think the award system should become like it was, money per point. So the small teams can earn a bit of money for the odd point they score, rahter than their final positions in the championship.

it's already like that isn't it? i remember when Minardi got a point at Indy a few years ago, Stoddart said that would be the whole following season's travel paid for. once you get even just 1 point, you get more money, i think, regardless of where you come in the final standing? or am i completely wrong here?

---

RIP Jules, never to be forgotten. #KeepFightingMichael