The Belgium Grand Prix Thread *** EXPECT SPOILERS!!!***

DaveEllis Wrote:
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> Now Button has got his arse in gear. Hes spent
> half the race going slow, then decides to go fast.
> Exactly the same as his Monza race. He could have
> won this if he wasnt arsing about for 20 laps
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He would have won it if BAR hadn't given him dry tyres

gary42 Wrote:
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> DaveEllis Wrote:
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> > Now Button has got his arse in gear. Hes
> spent
> > half the race going slow, then decides to go
> fast.
> > Exactly the same as his Monza race. He could
> have
> > won this if he wasnt arsing about for 20 laps
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> He would have won it if BAR hadn't given him dry
> tyres
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> Minardi 1980-2005 RIP


no he wouldnt. you seriously think the mclaren could have gone much faster? and that he would have passed all those cars.

using that logic massa would have had a podium bar sauber screwing him over.

Great drive by Tiago, a very well deserved point!

What a move by button, around the outside at Pouhon :D

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Webber Fan Wrote:
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> Great race! Big shame for Montoya. Great drive
> from Kimi and smart drive from Fernando although
> he is lucky. Can someone tell me why was Webber on
> the slicks during SC? He stopped one stop more and
> maybe lost podium position, but fastest lap is his
> I think. Great job Tiago.
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>

well the last pit stop would've been avoidable, if they would've stayed with the slicks. webber definately pwned anyone else who dared to try slicks (and even some of the intermediate guys), so i'm impressed. ahh and WELL DONE tiago.

nice race, good race of Tiago, bad strategy of Minard, bad tyre choise for Massa and Ralf, I like Sato crash with Schumacher, muhahahahhaha,but more they wait until arriving in interlagos to see what it is rain!!!, hehehehehe

our prayers were nearly answered with a Macca 1-2, unfortunately it wasn't to be.

we haven't seen a full replay of the JPM incident, so we can't say whos fault it was.

2 good moves by Button, around the outside of JV at Pouhon, and inside Rubens at Bus stop.

when we came back from the adbreak and saw a smashed up Renault, I jumped for joy, hoping it was Alonso.

and good tactics by McLaren to switch drivers, although they would have been justified if they had simply done a blatant swap, but that would need cooperation from JPM, and maybe he wouldn't be too happy about it.

and MS became another notch on Sato's bedpost (as it were!).

nice little slap of the head from MS.

and in the pre-race bit when they showed all the accidents form previous Spa races, when Mika passed MS around Zonta, the caption said 'Belgium 1998', when it obviously was 2000.

and what was Tony on about? he kept saying the last McLaren 1-2 was Australia 2000.

and Angus Scott seemed more natural in front of the camera than Jim Resenthal all weekend. you can see Jim trying to listen to what the director is saying in his earpiece, while also trying to listen to who he is talking to on-screen, and bumbling his way through it.

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/11/2005 05:42PM by Muks_C.

Toyota could have been 2 cars on the podium without those tyre mess-ups Ah well, they're a relatively new team and mistakes are expected. The big thing for them is that they're gonna finish behind Ferrari for sure now, a bad call IMHO.

As for McLaren, I KNEW something would happen, though I didn't know which driver Kimi had driven better today, so in a way it's better that it's Montoya.

And stop the barrage against Pizzonia, please. He drove magnificently these last 2 weeks, do you think it's easy to control a car in those situations? If so, by all means be my guest to try. It didn't look like Montoya gave him much room (they seemed to have collided on the outside of the track, as if JPPM had pulled in front of him).

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I didn't barrage Pizza-boy. I think it was probably Montoya's fault, not moving over for a faster car

According to Ron Dennis, Juan had just overtaken Pizzonia, and Pizzonia missed the brake point.

For me it was clear Juan Pablo let Kimi win by his own decision. He was as fast as Kimi when he was fighting with Ralf, and after Ralf went to the pits and saw he went back again to swith tyres, Juan Pablo backed off, so why there's people saying Juan Pablo wouldn't have helped him anyway? or at least that's why I understand. He has always said, that He would help Kimi if he's out of the championship.

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JUAN PABLO MONTOYA






Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 09/11/2005 05:56PM by calimbo.

Muks_C Wrote:
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> and in the pre-race bit when they showed all the
> accidents form previous Spa races, when Mika
> passed MS around Zonta, the caption said 'Belgium
> 1998', when it obviously was 2000.
>

2001 actually

> and what was Tony on about? he kept saying the
> last McLaren 1-2 was Australia 2000.

yeah, schumacher won that race. unless schumacher was driving a mclaren........
>

and Angus Scott seemed more natural in front of the camera than Jim Resenthal all weekend. you can see Jim trying to listen to what the director is saying in his earpiece, while also trying to listen to who he is talking to on-screen, and bumbling his way through it.

yeah... he seemed a bit nervous if anything, or just not used to it, but he did a much better job. seemed like he cared about motorsport, unlike rosenthal

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Did Tony mean Austria?

dolinseks Wrote:
> Kimi didnt drive offtrack in Hockenheim, that just
> bullshit, in the level of Renault team. Here is
> the video, that proves that Kimi didnt go offtrack
> after his lap, so you shouldnt say stupid things,
> which arent true:


That video clip prooves nothing at ALL! Thats 3 corners! He did it on his slowing down lap, further round! Learn to understand how McLaren operate. They are dodgy as F$$$!

dolinseks Wrote:
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> Ron said for RTL, that pizzonia let JPM pass, and
> then crashed into the back of him, like verstappen
> in Sao Paolo 2001.


As much as I hate to admit it. ITV showed that Montoya does himself NO favours when lapping people, by then cutting them up. So he puts them in the position where they cant help but hit him. once is unlucky (Brazil) But twice this year shows a fundamental error in race craft!

I really enjoyed this race! Villeneuve had his moment on the raidillion too!

My opinions:

Kimi - Perfect race, no comments

Montoya - Great race but a pitty for him that Kimi had to win. No comment about thePizzonia incident because there were no good images of that.

Alonso - Reliable race in tough conditions because his car was setup for rain conditions. Scored in the points, did what he had to do!

Schumacher M - Shame for him that Sato hit him at la source. Could have finished on the podium!

Button - I don't know if he really deserved that podium, think there were faster drivers on track! But he did a great move on Villeneuve!

Webber - Finally a good result for the Aussie! Could have finished higher if he didn't had to pit twice in the safety car situation

Ralf - Had a great race and I really think he could have won if he didn't made that guess for the tyres...

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Lemming Wrote:
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> Muks_C Wrote:
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> > and in the pre-race bit when they showed all
> the
> > accidents form previous Spa races, when Mika
> > passed MS around Zonta, the caption said
> 'Belgium
> > 1998', when it obviously was 2000.
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> 2001 actually


er, no, it was definitely 2000, i have just checked my 2000 review dvd .

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Muks_C Wrote:
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> > > and in the pre-race bit when they showed
> all
> > the
> > > accidents form previous Spa races, when
> Mika
> > > passed MS around Zonta, the caption
> said
> > 'Belgium
> > > 1998', when it obviously was 2000.
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> > 2001 actually
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> er, no, it was definitely 2000, i have just
> checked my 2000 review dvd .
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hehe was it?! i was sure it was 2001! i thought burti drove 1 race for jaguar in 2000, then it was 2001 when he raced at the end of the season for prost.... and i watched the 2000 review the other day! i must've skipped spa for some crazy reason


EDIT: [www.formula1.com]

i was right!

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/11/2005 06:20PM by Lemming.

ralf cost himself a win! or 2nd!

he was quick today i like it when ralf is good because he really is good!

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"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL

Sniper Escrito:
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> ...
> Alonso - Reliable race in tough conditions because
> his car was setup for rain conditions. Scored in
> the points, did what he had to do!
> ...


Actually he was with dry setup, with very low downforce. He should have been very fast on sector 1, but it was the most wet sector during all race. Fisichella had a similar setup, but according to Montagny, he had a little more downforce than Fernando.

McLaren did the best job with the setups: Pedro de la Rosa said they were intermediate setups. Toyota's performance is also very relationed with setups: they were for wet and that explains why they were so fast in the first part of the race



TOMA!!!

No team orders with my mclaren ???? my ass !!!

WTG Monteiro !!!

Sato go to gp2

6-6 kimi vs alonso, nice to see the outcome of that cause the WC is for alonso!

But Spa was the best race of the year !!!!!!!!!

yup, well I understand the teamorders from McLaren. I appreciate them much more, they don't do it like ferrari! That's the perfect way not to spoil the sport to much...

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Ron has always stated that Macca don't use team orders 'unless only one driver can mathematically win he championship'. That's the case now, and therefore the team orders were perfectly OK