Cya guys.

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Re: My Quick Rant
Date: March 29, 2010 07:42PM
Posted by: gav
Quote
jcaranti
Banned for claiming my rights as author??
How you can even say that???
What happened to the moderators of this forum protecting the authors
instead of abusing and threatening them??

It's a discussion forum not a courtroom. What are we meant to do? "oooh, stop that or I'll have to edit your post!".

It's not a forum rule, here or frankly anywhere, so it's not a bannable offence.

Getting on the tits of mods and members, on other hand, is.

You have to either sort it out with him or STFU. It's not our problem.
Re: My Quick Rant
Date: March 29, 2010 08:25PM
Posted by: Anonymous User
Locke Cole Wrote:
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> No, you will be banned for being a tiresome,
> complaining little troll who doesn't know when to
> shut the @#$%& up.

So your clearly i saying i must shut up and that i have no say
in a work that i created.
Interesting.
Re: My Quick Rant
Date: March 29, 2010 09:02PM
Posted by: Locke Cole
That is exactly what I am saying. It's like Wikipedia - anyone is entitled to edit an article that you have written, because there's no law against it. Same thing applies here. When you release work, you release it into the public domain with no disclaimer and no legal rights. Anybody is legitimately allowed to use it for any purpose, and may omit credit to the original author without reprisal. It might be frowned upon, but it's certainly not against the rules.



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Re: My Quick Rant
Date: March 29, 2010 09:04PM
Posted by: Vader
Quote
jacaranti
So your clearly i saying i must shut up

Bingo.






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Re: My Quick Rant
Date: March 29, 2010 09:20PM
Posted by: Anonymous User
Locke Cole@ What changed? GPG a few years back this wasnt a problem.
Authors were respected and things didnt go behind the back of authors.
I know i must shut up, but it pops into my head this question everytime.
Re: My Quick Rant
Date: March 29, 2010 09:52PM
Posted by: Vader
When Gpgames started about 10 years ago we would have kicked your ass already. The Golden Years in Ye Olde Phorum were anarchy and "property" was being regarded as theft.






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Re: My Quick Rant
Date: March 29, 2010 10:03PM
Posted by: senninho
I think the problem is that you're assuming a forum is a democracy. It is not - the mods are in charge, and rules is rules. If you don't like it, tough.

I'm sure it is annoying having your work copied, or not being credited, or whatever, but you're not going about things the right way - if you deal with it maturely, people will treat you appropriately. If not, don't expect people to run to your aid. The same goes for real life - i'd suggest reading up on what a vexatious litigant is ;-)

Seriously, just go away from your computer and have a drink, or something. Some perspective always helps.







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Re: My Quick Rant
Date: March 29, 2010 10:29PM
Posted by: Nickv
jcaranti Schreef:
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> Locke Cole Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > No, you will be banned for being a tiresome,
> > complaining little troll who doesn't know when
> to
> > shut the @#$%& up.
>
> So your clearly i saying i must shut up and that i
> have no say
> in a work that i created.
> Interesting.


See, trying to play the victim again. 'Boohoo, everybody hates me!' There have been what, four posts before yours? And of all these four posts that all contained some valid points, but you picked the one that suited your play. You a pain to talk to. You keep repeating yourself instead of reacting to a post properly. Oh why do I even bother...
Re: My Quick Rant
Date: March 29, 2010 10:39PM
Posted by: J i m
Jeeeez is this thread still going on?! My popcorn has gone stale and I've run out of coca cola.

Re: My Quick Rant
Date: March 29, 2010 11:14PM
Posted by: Naboo
jcaranti Wrote:
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> Naboo Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > > something that could have been sorted quite
> easily
> > if you and BB had just talked about it calmly,
>
> Thats impossible. We both hate each other.
> But the difference he does the bad things by
> hacking,flaming,
> steeling etc

Stealing* dear, you gotta start somewhere, and that somewhere is not here anymore



>
> Naboo Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > I thinks you should give this
> > "quick rant" of yours a rest as your digging
> > yourself into a deeper hole which at the same
> time
>
> I already know i will be banned. Maybe less than 4
> hours from now...
> But i also know i will be banned for claiming my
> rights as author of a work that i created.
> Even to a child is coherent what im claiming.
> But i guess moderators of this forum dont care
> about author rights. GPG was founded
> on really good terms, now look at the site what it
> has become.

Blah blah blah, your acting like an old man, "oooh, in the good old days" i wasnt here in those times but i can sure say that the forum is a good place to chat about stuff if your not doing anything like me at the moment. But for you to say that it has declined so much is a bit of a tall order on a place where there is rarely any arguments, the last arguement i remember was between me and vader i believe, about tyres. So for you to accuse this site of anti-civilized behaviour is a bit stupid really, i admit there isnt as many topics in the forum that i am interested in any more but thats due to people not putting as many silly things on it. I think its best for you to go have a nice hot bubble bath to cool off, wax your legs trim your bush etc etc...



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Re: My Quick Rant
Date: March 29, 2010 11:34PM
Posted by: danm
Jorge.

I made work for GP4.

I put it on the internet under MY name for FREE to be DOWNLOADED.

Therefore, I made it open to anyone to take, edit, use in the game, modify whatever. Even if I asked not to, I can't STOP people doing it. It isn't illegal.

If I download your work now, and re-release it under my name, what can you do? Nothing. It is not a crime, I can do it. Everyone can.

The only thing wrong is MORALS. It isn't the law. It isn't a crime. It is just morally and wrongly justified.

Now, had I paid many, many, many HUNDREDS and THOUSANDS of pounds to copyright what I did; let alone pay all those other copyrighted logos and brands used in my work, then I could have a point.

Unfortunately, I didn't.

In putting something up for free public download, it is there to take, and people will take more than they should.

Jorge, you have taken something which isn't your own in the first place - the game - the edit and modify. Did you ask permission to edit the game? No.

And now someone edits your work, or whatever, you complain.

Leeching and stealing happens. You can't do something yourself and then complain someone else is doing the same.

I know by now you are crying another 'but I didn't steal peoples work as my own'. You edited the game, or parts for a game WITHOUT PERMISSION. The same category as RIPPING SOMEONES WORK again WITHOUT PERMISSION. Same thing.

YES it is your work, you did it, but unless you PAY for it to be copyrighted, and you stop making it FREELY available then it will happen. And again. And again. Nobody can stop that.

Unless you copyright it and pay.

Sure, it sucks. It isn't nice to have your work ripped by someone else, but that is what it will do unless you pay for copyright.

What would you do suddenly if Bridgestone came down on you and sued you for using their logo without permission...?

Look at the film making industry.... some English and Creative students submit film ideas to companies to get themselves heard. It is a student's original work, and they show it to someone.

There is nothing stopping someone hearing that idea, and then making the movie without the student, because his idea was NOT copyrighted.

Same thing.

You want it protected? You pay for it to be.


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Re: My Quick Rant
Date: March 29, 2010 11:39PM
Posted by: Vader
He wasn't there in the good old days either. I came here May 2001 and I wasn't the first. It was a wonderful place when I joined. We shared all and everything without asking for credits. Acting like a prima donna was only allowed when you were a supernatural being (and we all were in the beginning) or if you linked to a pic showing a blue whale's tongue up yours.






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Re: My Quick Rant
Date: March 29, 2010 11:40PM
Posted by: leopard
Just my two cents, but Naboo's sig says it all.
Re: My Quick Rant
Date: March 29, 2010 11:45PM
Posted by: Vader
Quote
danm
Jorge.

I made work for GP4.

I put it on the internet under MY name for FREE to be DOWNLOADED.

Therefore, I made it open to anyone to take, edit, use in the game, modify whatever. Even if I asked not to, I can't STOP people doing it. It isn't illegal.

If I download your work now, and re-release it under my name, what can you do? Nothing. It is not a crime, I can do it. Everyone can.

The only thing wrong is MORALS. It isn't the law. It isn't a crime. It is just morally and wrongly justified.

Now, had I paid many, many, many HUNDREDS and THOUSANDS of pounds to copyright what I did; let alone pay all those other copyrighted logos and brands used in my work, then I could have a point.

Unfortunately, I didn't.

In putting something up for free public download, it is there to take, and people will take more than they should.

Jorge, you have taken something which isn't your own in the first place - the game - the edit and modify. Did you ask permission to edit the game? No.

And now someone edits your work, or whatever, you complain.

Leeching and stealing happens. You can't do something yourself and then complain someone else is doing the same.

I know by now you are crying another 'but I didn't steal peoples work as my own'. You edited the game, or parts for a game WITHOUT PERMISSION. The same category as RIPPING SOMEONES WORK again WITHOUT PERMISSION. Same thing.

YES it is your work, you did it, but unless you PAY for it to be copyrighted, and you stop making it FREELY available then it will happen. And again. And again. Nobody can stop that.

Unless you copyright it and pay.

Sure, it sucks. It isn't nice to have your work ripped by someone else, but that is what it will do unless you pay for copyright.

What would you do suddenly if Bridgestone came down on you and sued you for using their logo without permission...?

Look at the film making industry.... some English and Creative students submit film ideas to companies to get themselves heard. It is a student's original work, and they show it to someone.

There is nothing stopping someone hearing that idea, and then making the movie without the student, because his idea was NOT copyrighted.

Same thing.

You want it protected? You pay for it to be.

+1






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Re: My Quick Rant
Date: March 29, 2010 11:53PM
Posted by: Anonymous User
- 1.

Close topic.
Re: My Quick Rant
Date: March 30, 2010 12:04AM
Posted by: danm
Jorge please stop sending me private messages congratulating me on helping you to get banned.

I am not out to do this, what is the point? We all are here trying to make you see sense, and show how you acting incorrectly over this situation.

We know what you are saying, but it does not work.

You will only get banned for using bad language, which you have done.

I understand your point, it is your work.

But the thing is, you CAN'T legally stop people doing it.

The gpg mods can't stop people doing it, because it is legal.

Why would they waste time policing and monitoring something that isn't against any illegal rules?

There isn't, so they won't.

The mods are annoyed because you are trying to make them do something they do not have to.

And when you are told they aren't doing anything, you curse.

The only way you will be banned is flaming, cursing, and being generally abusive at being told what the rules are here.

If you do not like the rules here, then you should not continue being a member here.

This is the club; and these are the rules.


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Re: My Quick Rant
Date: March 30, 2010 12:11AM
Posted by: Vader
Quote
jcaranti
Close topic.

Who are you to tell me how to my job?






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Re: My Quick Rant
Date: March 30, 2010 12:14AM
Posted by: Anonymous User
Vader Wrote:
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> > Close topic.
>
>
> Who are you to tell me how to my job?


Did i say "Close topic" to anyone specifically?
Answer is NO.

I was merely trying to say that i wont continue discussion in the thread.
Re: My Quick Rant
Date: March 30, 2010 12:16AM
Posted by: Frantic
Jorge, did you tried to talk via PM or e-mail with BB, without attacking him, in friendly ways?

Re: My Quick Rant
Date: March 30, 2010 02:41AM
Posted by: danm
Jorge, we can sort this out in a peaceful way, without getting aggressive and swearing and angry! :)

It is the best way.

Jejejejejje


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