White european on Islam - religion of hate
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may not be for some, but this guy talks like it is, no political correctness nonsense here.
what do you think?
may not be for some, but this guy talks like it is, no political correctness nonsense here.
what do you think?
Good point Rapid. I would like to hear more views on this, but it seems people are too politically correct these days to touch this subject, no one wants to seem to be un PC in fear of backlash, shame....
I have nothing against any particular religion 
but every faith has extremists whether it be Evangelists or Terrorists and, unfortunately, these small minorities will always represent the vast majority to other faiths. In my opinion religion serves a purpose in the human mind, as it gives people answers. Some things are simply beyond the human mind's understanding, such as how the universe began and some people need to know why something happens or what things mean. It is my belief that everything can be explained by science, but not all of the science has yet been worked out or can be comprehended by the human mind. For this, people will look upto a greater figure (such as God) and will have the answers provided by that (i.e God made the universe).
Until scientific facts can provide the answer then people will have their beliefs to guide them, and since different religions have different beliefs then there will always be conflict. To each person, their own beliefs are undeniably right and the other persons are wrong since that is what they have always known. At the moment (as the guy in video says), most european countries are bowing to the pressure of Muslims (or any other religion, to be fair) as soon as they show any violence towards them...which I think is wrong. Yes, they should accomodate them but they shouldnt degrade themselves and crumble under the pressure of aggression.
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but every faith has extremists whether it be Evangelists or Terrorists and, unfortunately, these small minorities will always represent the vast majority to other faiths. In my opinion religion serves a purpose in the human mind, as it gives people answers. Some things are simply beyond the human mind's understanding, such as how the universe began and some people need to know why something happens or what things mean. It is my belief that everything can be explained by science, but not all of the science has yet been worked out or can be comprehended by the human mind. For this, people will look upto a greater figure (such as God) and will have the answers provided by that (i.e God made the universe).Until scientific facts can provide the answer then people will have their beliefs to guide them, and since different religions have different beliefs then there will always be conflict. To each person, their own beliefs are undeniably right and the other persons are wrong since that is what they have always known. At the moment (as the guy in video says), most european countries are bowing to the pressure of Muslims (or any other religion, to be fair) as soon as they show any violence towards them...which I think is wrong. Yes, they should accomodate them but they shouldnt degrade themselves and crumble under the pressure of aggression.
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> The only way it's ever going
> to sort itself out is when religion dies out in
> about 300 years, by then there will just be one
> religion and it will be called "humanity".
The death of religion has been predicted since the Age of Enlightment, but as you can see it has not yet happened. At the moment religion actually has much more influence to world politics than it has had for a long time, this can be seen in these conflicts bethween Christian and Islamic world. And religion has also more influence to invidual than it has had 50 years ago.
In Islamic counties Islam has much more influence to people and at least to state than it had about 40 years ago.
Islam has a honorable history. After the death of Muhammad in 7th century it spread to North Africa, Iberian Peninsula, and east. It also rose to very high archievements in science and art, in 11th century Islamic countries were leading countries in both, China being a good, but much lesser, challenger for them.
In 17th century Europe and Islam were about on same level in material development, but then during the next century Europe left Islamic countries behind thanks to industrialisation, which didn't affect the Islamic world. 'Islamic modernism'
not sure if this is correct english term) born then in late 19th century to take back Europes lead in development. It was then replaced by nationalism and arab socialism, which started to control politics after the second world war. Both of those also dismissed Islam. Since 80's those ideologies have had to give room to Islamism, which holds that Islam is not only a religion but also a political system. It has then changed the position of Islam in society and its influence.
In America religion also has much effect to politics and people not least in united states. In there religion has kept it's place in the life of people unlike in europe.
Europe being probably the only continent where religion has less influence to invidual than before. Though this could change in future because of growing amout of muslims moving there. Because of that europeans will have to think about their own position to Christianity and Islam much more than before.
An about the crusades, they are quite late and short event in Christianity. As they happened in 12th and 13th centuries, they certainly didn't came with Christianity, though it has to be said Christianity created a "right" athmosphere for them to be possible.
EDIT: Sorry for the errors in grammar, I wrote this in a little hurry.
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Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 04/02/2008 08:56PM by villej.
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> The only way it's ever going
> to sort itself out is when religion dies out in
> about 300 years, by then there will just be one
> religion and it will be called "humanity".
The death of religion has been predicted since the Age of Enlightment, but as you can see it has not yet happened. At the moment religion actually has much more influence to world politics than it has had for a long time, this can be seen in these conflicts bethween Christian and Islamic world. And religion has also more influence to invidual than it has had 50 years ago.
In Islamic counties Islam has much more influence to people and at least to state than it had about 40 years ago.
Islam has a honorable history. After the death of Muhammad in 7th century it spread to North Africa, Iberian Peninsula, and east. It also rose to very high archievements in science and art, in 11th century Islamic countries were leading countries in both, China being a good, but much lesser, challenger for them.
In 17th century Europe and Islam were about on same level in material development, but then during the next century Europe left Islamic countries behind thanks to industrialisation, which didn't affect the Islamic world. 'Islamic modernism'
not sure if this is correct english term) born then in late 19th century to take back Europes lead in development. It was then replaced by nationalism and arab socialism, which started to control politics after the second world war. Both of those also dismissed Islam. Since 80's those ideologies have had to give room to Islamism, which holds that Islam is not only a religion but also a political system. It has then changed the position of Islam in society and its influence.In America religion also has much effect to politics and people not least in united states. In there religion has kept it's place in the life of people unlike in europe.
Europe being probably the only continent where religion has less influence to invidual than before. Though this could change in future because of growing amout of muslims moving there. Because of that europeans will have to think about their own position to Christianity and Islam much more than before.
An about the crusades, they are quite late and short event in Christianity. As they happened in 12th and 13th centuries, they certainly didn't came with Christianity, though it has to be said Christianity created a "right" athmosphere for them to be possible.
EDIT: Sorry for the errors in grammar, I wrote this in a little hurry.
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Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 04/02/2008 08:56PM by villej.
all the terrorists and hate-mongers who do their evil deeds in the name of Islam are not really following the true codes of the religion they have hijacked (excuse the pun), but it's scary that this kind of hate-preaching is going on very close to home these days, within England. did you see the Dispatches show named Undercover Mosque, shown in January on channel 4? frightening stuff. some of the so-called "leaders" of the Islamic faith in some of our biggest cities are teaching the wrong stuff to youngsters which is only found through hidden recording, but publically they stand together with the government and act as if they're against extremists.
here's that programme on youtube, it's 6 parts so be patient:
and as a general comment on any religion, believe what you want to believe, pray to whoever you want to pray to, but don't try to force other people into believing what you believe, and don't think any less of anyone who follows either a different religion, or follows no religion at all.
RIP Jules, never to be forgotten. #KeepFightingMichael
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/02/2008 10:53PM by Muks_C.
here's that programme on youtube, it's 6 parts so be patient:
and as a general comment on any religion, believe what you want to believe, pray to whoever you want to pray to, but don't try to force other people into believing what you believe, and don't think any less of anyone who follows either a different religion, or follows no religion at all.
RIP Jules, never to be forgotten. #KeepFightingMichael
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/02/2008 10:53PM by Muks_C.
What Geert Wilders (the maker of Fitna) does, it's magnifying what terrorists do. Terrorists operate in name of the Islam. And Wilders spreads that over the entire Islam. Normal Muslims say that the terrorists aren't real Muslims, they also want to get rid of them. But Wilders doesn't say that!
Wilders is afraid of the wave of Muslims that comes towards Holland. He says the Quran is a hate seeding book. He quoted lines from it in his film. It's said that those lines have been wrongly translated. I have never read the Quran so I can't comment on that though. Is there a problem in a part of town where a lot of foreigners live? It's the Muslims! That's what Wilders is repeating all the time. It's truely indoctrination. Instead of giving answers to his so called problems, he tells them, makes them worse than they are and go away.
Muslims aren't bad people, like Wilders proclaims. The terrorists and hate seeders who indoctrinate people, who claim to operate in the name of Allah, are bad people. They aren't only bad people, they are stupid people! They don't even know what they are talking about. Have you seen those people burning Dutch flags on TV and burning Wilders dolls? Here's a pic:
Garret Weldon? If you make your people protest, at least make them protest against the right guy! Another example. Before the release of Fitna, a journalist asked flag-burning-people who the man on a certain picture was. This man was Geert Wilders. How many knew that? None. This clearly shows that these people, along with the terrorists, haven't got a clue what they're on about! People of the likes of Al-Zarqawi (or however he's called) indoctrinate people. Anything said by this anti-west man, will be instantly believed by the people. If he says 'burn flags of country X', they will. If he says 'put a bomb on that train in the name of Allah', they will. They do that because people in those countries are much more tied to their religion. They will do anything to satisfy Allah and be good so they get in heaven (is it called heaven in the Muslim world?). If some anti-western man like Al-Zarqawi says 'do this and that in the name of Allah', they will do so because they want to get in heaven.
And that's what Wilders magnifies. He thinks that all the Muslims act like that. But these people are only extremists. And people unfortunately think that these people represent all of the Muslims, while they obviously don't.
What's happening is that the extremes from both sides (terrorists and extremist Muslims on one side and Wilders and the likes on the other) are fighting eachother and that's truely escalating. And the media are only making it worse. And this all while the majority from both sides want to live side by side.
Wilders is afraid of the wave of Muslims that comes towards Holland. He says the Quran is a hate seeding book. He quoted lines from it in his film. It's said that those lines have been wrongly translated. I have never read the Quran so I can't comment on that though. Is there a problem in a part of town where a lot of foreigners live? It's the Muslims! That's what Wilders is repeating all the time. It's truely indoctrination. Instead of giving answers to his so called problems, he tells them, makes them worse than they are and go away.
Muslims aren't bad people, like Wilders proclaims. The terrorists and hate seeders who indoctrinate people, who claim to operate in the name of Allah, are bad people. They aren't only bad people, they are stupid people! They don't even know what they are talking about. Have you seen those people burning Dutch flags on TV and burning Wilders dolls? Here's a pic:
Garret Weldon? If you make your people protest, at least make them protest against the right guy! Another example. Before the release of Fitna, a journalist asked flag-burning-people who the man on a certain picture was. This man was Geert Wilders. How many knew that? None. This clearly shows that these people, along with the terrorists, haven't got a clue what they're on about! People of the likes of Al-Zarqawi (or however he's called) indoctrinate people. Anything said by this anti-west man, will be instantly believed by the people. If he says 'burn flags of country X', they will. If he says 'put a bomb on that train in the name of Allah', they will. They do that because people in those countries are much more tied to their religion. They will do anything to satisfy Allah and be good so they get in heaven (is it called heaven in the Muslim world?). If some anti-western man like Al-Zarqawi says 'do this and that in the name of Allah', they will do so because they want to get in heaven.
And that's what Wilders magnifies. He thinks that all the Muslims act like that. But these people are only extremists. And people unfortunately think that these people represent all of the Muslims, while they obviously don't.
What's happening is that the extremes from both sides (terrorists and extremist Muslims on one side and Wilders and the likes on the other) are fighting eachother and that's truely escalating. And the media are only making it worse. And this all while the majority from both sides want to live side by side.
talking of flag-burning, on a comedy show a few weeks ago, someone talk about the Prophet cartoons riots in Eastern countries. he said something like "all those people burning flags are shouting "we're burning your flag, HA!", but i just say to them, "no you're not, you're burning your flag, you bought it!".
RIP Jules, never to be forgotten. #KeepFightingMichael
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I've not listened to the vid yet, as at work, but this reminds me of a conversation a few years ago!
As I said before, these 'terrorists' are only living for the fundamental truths of the book and because of that (and that alone) I can give them some sort of credit. To call Britain a Christian country is an absolute travisty to both, above all else, Britain has a religion that looks after 'me' - and soon enough, Britain can call itself Muslim.
EDIT: just watched the video, and the guy raises some good issues - but especially the one to standing up for what we believe in is truth - although you may argue that that's a subjective word!
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/03/2008 07:22PM by fongu.
As I said before, these 'terrorists' are only living for the fundamental truths of the book and because of that (and that alone) I can give them some sort of credit. To call Britain a Christian country is an absolute travisty to both, above all else, Britain has a religion that looks after 'me' - and soon enough, Britain can call itself Muslim.
EDIT: just watched the video, and the guy raises some good issues - but especially the one to standing up for what we believe in is truth - although you may argue that that's a subjective word!
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/03/2008 07:22PM by fongu.
Anyone wishing to use the Bible as justification for oppressing non-believers and killing in the name of God could find some pretty juicy stuff in the Old Testament. This doesn't make the Bible a manual for hate, and it's the same thing with the Qu'ran. Every religious book is bound to have some element of violence and un-PC directives, due to the culture at the time at which they were written.
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What would make things less of an issue is if there was no God, or gods, to speak of. But people need somebody to worship, so they can fight against people who don't worship that God.
In my opinion, having many gods a la Ancient Greece / Rome would actually make the whole thing less of an issue. Fighting in the name of one God just because you disagree with his/her (watch Dogma to get that one, it's so funny, but has great views in it) story of how they came to be is just plain wrong, and why I wanna slap these so-called "martyrs" who fight in the name of Allah because they just don't get the message! Allah = God! You're fighting for Christians too you pillock!
Basically, I think Islam is Christianity with some bits missed out / changed to make it seem better than the others. Christianity is well established as a derivation of Judaism halfway through the Christian Old Testament.
But think about this: God and Jesus vs Allah and Mohammed? I know which one I'd rather put my faith in....
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In my opinion, having many gods a la Ancient Greece / Rome would actually make the whole thing less of an issue. Fighting in the name of one God just because you disagree with his/her (watch Dogma to get that one, it's so funny, but has great views in it) story of how they came to be is just plain wrong, and why I wanna slap these so-called "martyrs" who fight in the name of Allah because they just don't get the message! Allah = God! You're fighting for Christians too you pillock!
Basically, I think Islam is Christianity with some bits missed out / changed to make it seem better than the others. Christianity is well established as a derivation of Judaism halfway through the Christian Old Testament.
But think about this: God and Jesus vs Allah and Mohammed? I know which one I'd rather put my faith in....
Obi Wan!!!
Everyone knows that million-to-one chances happen 9 times out of 10; indeed, it's a common requirement in fairy tales. If the human didn't have to overcome huge odds, what would be the point? Terry Pratchett - The Science Of Discworld
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If you look back at history, when true by-the-book Christianity was in effect (and by that I don't mean Roman Catholocism or the Crusades or George Bush) and people's lives were evidently different, there has always been a record of peace and prosperity for society. It was when these things became unimportant that things started going wrong, and these things don't take effect for many many years.
Islam claims it is a twisted form of Christianity, sorry, it's a 'correction' of Christianity.
Islam claims it is a twisted form of Christianity, sorry, it's a 'correction' of Christianity.
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