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Engine Negotiations Results
During this week further Engine contracts have been signed and the trend definitely goes for the three already existing engine manufacturers. After Super Nova Racing and Racing Engineering had already signed a new contract with mercedes, BCN Competition is the next team to re-sign their contract which means, there is only one contract left for the dominant engine of the beginning of this year. iSport International, who have just won yesterdays Feature Race re-signed a contract with renault as well and are therewith the second team to sign this engine. And even though this years start has not been so good for ferrari, DSR Lotus manager still decided to go with the italian engine for another year. As ferrari will only support two teams in the next year, there is only one contract left for them as well. All contracts are said to be signed at the minimum contract cost.
BMW - £7.5m (no teams left)
Ferrari - £6.5m (1 team left)
Mercedes - £7.5m (1 teams left)
Nissan - £6.5m (max 3 teams)
Renault - £7.5m (2 teams left)
Volkswagen - £5.5m (max 1 team)
During this week further Engine contracts have been signed and the trend definitely goes for the three already existing engine manufacturers. After Super Nova Racing and Racing Engineering had already signed a new contract with mercedes, BCN Competition is the next team to re-sign their contract which means, there is only one contract left for the dominant engine of the beginning of this year. iSport International, who have just won yesterdays Feature Race re-signed a contract with renault as well and are therewith the second team to sign this engine. And even though this years start has not been so good for ferrari, DSR Lotus manager still decided to go with the italian engine for another year. As ferrari will only support two teams in the next year, there is only one contract left for them as well. All contracts are said to be signed at the minimum contract cost.
Ferrari - £6.5m (1 team left)
Mercedes - £7.5m (1 teams left)
Nissan - £6.5m (max 3 teams)
Renault - £7.5m (2 teams left)
Volkswagen - £5.5m (max 1 team)
Coloni Motorsports
A bad weekend for us, with both drivers struggling in every session. Monfardini out raced Bruni all weekend, but overtaking was rare, so Bruni was stuck near the back. We now look forward to the next round, where we expect a better result.
Away from this season, and looking ahead, Coloni Motorsport will be transforming into Fisichella Motor Sport International. With support from F1 driver Giancarlo Fisichella, we are expecting a strong future ahead for the team.
Joseph Gilson :: Southern Cross Racing :: Race Driver
A bad weekend for us, with both drivers struggling in every session. Monfardini out raced Bruni all weekend, but overtaking was rare, so Bruni was stuck near the back. We now look forward to the next round, where we expect a better result.
Away from this season, and looking ahead, Coloni Motorsport will be transforming into Fisichella Motor Sport International. With support from F1 driver Giancarlo Fisichella, we are expecting a strong future ahead for the team.
Joseph Gilson :: Southern Cross Racing :: Race Driver
Combined with the idea that any GP2 driver needs a test driver next season to compensate the potential loss of a driver to the F1 sister team, I think it's generally a good idea.
HOWEVER: I would specify the thing a bit. For example: The F1 team loans their test driver to the GP2 team for the full season but decides after half the season, that they want to give him a chance in a race. In this case the F1 team can take the driver back and the GP2 team gets compensated for this money-wise (if the GP2 team paid for the use of the driver at all). Talking of this, I'd also suggest, that the price for potential loans has already to be negotiated in the sister-team contract and can only be negotiated afterwards in exceptional situations with the approval of Reve-san. This is to avoid misuse.
If the F1 team wants to make use of a regular driver of the sister team GP2 team, the contract details also have to be negotiated in the sister team contract, at least in a theoretical manner. That is, for example, the teams could negotiate, that the F1 team can make use of any of the drivers of the sister team if they provide, at least, another driver for compensation. Or alternatively, they could negotiate that the F1 team has to pay the sum that the GP2 team paid for the driver...or whatever.
In both cases, the important thing for me is that possible future driver exchanges are negotiated in the sister team contract already, so that neither part can get in a bad situation.
GPGSL : Team Owner of 'Maverick Track Performance' (MTP)
HOWEVER: I would specify the thing a bit. For example: The F1 team loans their test driver to the GP2 team for the full season but decides after half the season, that they want to give him a chance in a race. In this case the F1 team can take the driver back and the GP2 team gets compensated for this money-wise (if the GP2 team paid for the use of the driver at all). Talking of this, I'd also suggest, that the price for potential loans has already to be negotiated in the sister-team contract and can only be negotiated afterwards in exceptional situations with the approval of Reve-san. This is to avoid misuse.
If the F1 team wants to make use of a regular driver of the sister team GP2 team, the contract details also have to be negotiated in the sister team contract, at least in a theoretical manner. That is, for example, the teams could negotiate, that the F1 team can make use of any of the drivers of the sister team if they provide, at least, another driver for compensation. Or alternatively, they could negotiate that the F1 team has to pay the sum that the GP2 team paid for the driver...or whatever.
In both cases, the important thing for me is that possible future driver exchanges are negotiated in the sister team contract already, so that neither part can get in a bad situation.
GPGSL : Team Owner of 'Maverick Track Performance' (MTP)
JohnMaverick schrieb:
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> Combined with the idea that any GP2 driver needs a
> test driver next season to compensate the
> potential loss of a driver to the F1 sister team,
> I think it's generally a good idea.
>
> HOWEVER: I would specify the thing a bit. For
> example: The F1 team loans their test driver to
> the GP2 team for the full season but decides after
> half the season, that they want to give him a
> chance in a race. In this case the F1 team can
> take the driver back and the GP2 team gets
> compensated for this money-wise (if the GP2 team
> paid for the use of the driver at all). Talking of
> this, I'd also suggest, that the price for
> potential loans has already to be negotiated in
> the sister-team contract and can only be
> negotiated afterwards in exceptional situations
> with the approval of Reve-san. This is to avoid
> misuse.
>
> If the F1 team wants to make use of a regular
> driver of the sister team GP2 team, the contract
> details also have to be negotiated in the sister
> team contract, at least in a theoretical manner.
> That is, for example, the teams could negotiate,
> that the F1 team can make use of any of the
> drivers of the sister team if they provide, at
> least, another driver for compensation. Or
> alternatively, they could negotiate that the F1
> team has to pay the sum that the GP2 team paid for
> the driver...or whatever.
>
> In both cases, the important thing for me is that
> possible future driver exchanges are negotiated in
> the sister team contract already, so that neither
> part can get in a bad situation.
If the basic idea of the sister team contracts is going to remain, than I totally agree to you. The contracts need more details than just a sum that has to be paid. Maybe there should be a complete formular that needs to be filled out, including things like:
- GP2 teams new name
- paid sum by one of the sides
- switching between drivers
- cost of switching
- etc.
But thats just an idea, IF the sister team contract remains like it is (as my last idea was to completely seperate it from loaning out drivers - You only have a connection to the F1 team and both teams are considered one in negotiations).
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GPG Nations Cup: #39 Romania
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> Combined with the idea that any GP2 driver needs a
> test driver next season to compensate the
> potential loss of a driver to the F1 sister team,
> I think it's generally a good idea.
>
> HOWEVER: I would specify the thing a bit. For
> example: The F1 team loans their test driver to
> the GP2 team for the full season but decides after
> half the season, that they want to give him a
> chance in a race. In this case the F1 team can
> take the driver back and the GP2 team gets
> compensated for this money-wise (if the GP2 team
> paid for the use of the driver at all). Talking of
> this, I'd also suggest, that the price for
> potential loans has already to be negotiated in
> the sister-team contract and can only be
> negotiated afterwards in exceptional situations
> with the approval of Reve-san. This is to avoid
> misuse.
>
> If the F1 team wants to make use of a regular
> driver of the sister team GP2 team, the contract
> details also have to be negotiated in the sister
> team contract, at least in a theoretical manner.
> That is, for example, the teams could negotiate,
> that the F1 team can make use of any of the
> drivers of the sister team if they provide, at
> least, another driver for compensation. Or
> alternatively, they could negotiate that the F1
> team has to pay the sum that the GP2 team paid for
> the driver...or whatever.
>
> In both cases, the important thing for me is that
> possible future driver exchanges are negotiated in
> the sister team contract already, so that neither
> part can get in a bad situation.
If the basic idea of the sister team contracts is going to remain, than I totally agree to you. The contracts need more details than just a sum that has to be paid. Maybe there should be a complete formular that needs to be filled out, including things like:
- GP2 teams new name
- paid sum by one of the sides
- switching between drivers
- cost of switching
- etc.
But thats just an idea, IF the sister team contract remains like it is (as my last idea was to completely seperate it from loaning out drivers - You only have a connection to the F1 team and both teams are considered one in negotiations).
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GPG Nations Cup: #39 Romania
Wanna become a manager of a Formula 1 team? Take your chance and start in the GP2-Series!
But didn't you say that a team can only loan F1 drivers from their sister team then? Or did I get you wrong?
On the other hand, but this is also something that would have to be discussed with Twigster before, I think we're trying to solve a problem from the wrong end, here. What we first of all need, are multiple year contracts both in GP2 and F1 (with a restriction of 2 years for GP2 and 3 years for F1). And then, the importance of driving should be increased for test drivers. That is, when a F1 test driver additionally participates as a race driver in GP2, this should bring him a significant experience advantage for the following season to make them at least an option for a F1 race cockpit in the next year.
And then, but only then, the sister teams would either make sense or could be abolished at all and teams can negotiate private arrangements where a F1 test driver from ONE team can drive for the GP2 team, without making the F1 team ask for too much money for the driver, to make things payable for the GP2 team and nevertheless give the F1 team an advantage by loaning out their driver.
GPGSL : Team Owner of 'Maverick Track Performance' (MTP)
On the other hand, but this is also something that would have to be discussed with Twigster before, I think we're trying to solve a problem from the wrong end, here. What we first of all need, are multiple year contracts both in GP2 and F1 (with a restriction of 2 years for GP2 and 3 years for F1). And then, the importance of driving should be increased for test drivers. That is, when a F1 test driver additionally participates as a race driver in GP2, this should bring him a significant experience advantage for the following season to make them at least an option for a F1 race cockpit in the next year.
And then, but only then, the sister teams would either make sense or could be abolished at all and teams can negotiate private arrangements where a F1 test driver from ONE team can drive for the GP2 team, without making the F1 team ask for too much money for the driver, to make things payable for the GP2 team and nevertheless give the F1 team an advantage by loaning out their driver.
GPGSL : Team Owner of 'Maverick Track Performance' (MTP)
JohnMaverick schrieb:
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> But didn't you say that a team can only loan F1
> drivers from their sister team then? Or did I get
> you wrong?
That was a first idea, but it was dropped by me again. The latest idea (of mine) is that sister team contracts don´t have anything to do with loan drivers anymore. Their only purpose would be to have a connection between two teams.
> On the other hand, but this is also something that
> would have to be discussed with Twigster before, I
> think we're trying to solve a problem from the
> wrong end, here. What we first of all need, are
> multiple year contracts both in GP2 and F1 (with a
> restriction of 2 years for GP2 and 3 years for
> F1). And then, the importance of driving should be
> increased for test drivers. That is, when a F1
> test driver additionally participates as a race
> driver in GP2, this should bring him a significant
> experience advantage for the following season to
> make them at least an option for a F1 race cockpit
> in the next year.
Well multiple year contracts get introduced this season and come into play next season with the rules you just mentioned
> And then, but only then, the sister teams would
> either make sense or could be abolished at all and
> teams can negotiate private arrangements where a
> F1 test driver from ONE team can drive for the GP2
> team, without making the F1 team ask for too much
> money for the driver, to make things payable for
> the GP2 team and nevertheless give the F1 team an
> advantage by loaning out their driver.
Additionally GP2 teams should be allowed to loan out their drivers after the end of the season. I think I´m gonna work out new rules for loan drivers and the sister team contracts and send them to Twigster to discuss things with him. I think it is important that me and Twigster are both having a base concept before discussing this any further.
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GPG Nations Cup: #39 Romania
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> But didn't you say that a team can only loan F1
> drivers from their sister team then? Or did I get
> you wrong?
That was a first idea, but it was dropped by me again. The latest idea (of mine) is that sister team contracts don´t have anything to do with loan drivers anymore. Their only purpose would be to have a connection between two teams.
> On the other hand, but this is also something that
> would have to be discussed with Twigster before, I
> think we're trying to solve a problem from the
> wrong end, here. What we first of all need, are
> multiple year contracts both in GP2 and F1 (with a
> restriction of 2 years for GP2 and 3 years for
> F1). And then, the importance of driving should be
> increased for test drivers. That is, when a F1
> test driver additionally participates as a race
> driver in GP2, this should bring him a significant
> experience advantage for the following season to
> make them at least an option for a F1 race cockpit
> in the next year.
Well multiple year contracts get introduced this season and come into play next season with the rules you just mentioned
> And then, but only then, the sister teams would
> either make sense or could be abolished at all and
> teams can negotiate private arrangements where a
> F1 test driver from ONE team can drive for the GP2
> team, without making the F1 team ask for too much
> money for the driver, to make things payable for
> the GP2 team and nevertheless give the F1 team an
> advantage by loaning out their driver.
Additionally GP2 teams should be allowed to loan out their drivers after the end of the season. I think I´m gonna work out new rules for loan drivers and the sister team contracts and send them to Twigster to discuss things with him. I think it is important that me and Twigster are both having a base concept before discussing this any further.
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GPG Nations Cup: #39 Romania
Wanna become a manager of a Formula 1 team? Take your chance and start in the GP2-Series!
ART Williams quick press release
We hereby confirm that we won't start any negotiations with F1 teams before the future and details of the sister team contracts haven't been clarified. Generally we're very open to the idea of sister teams, though.
GPGSL : Team Owner of 'Maverick Track Performance' (MTP)
We hereby confirm that we won't start any negotiations with F1 teams before the future and details of the sister team contracts haven't been clarified. Generally we're very open to the idea of sister teams, though.
GPGSL : Team Owner of 'Maverick Track Performance' (MTP)
JohnMaverick Wrote:
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> ART Williams quick press release
>
> We hereby confirm that we won't start any
> negotiations with F1 teams before the future and
> details of the sister team contracts haven't been
> clarified. Generally we're very open to the idea
> of sister teams, though.
I did post what Reve and I have agreed on concerning the changes to the Sister Team Rules in the F1 thread a couple of days ago, however unfortunately it seems to have gone pretty much unnoticed
Anyway this is what was proposed:
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> ART Williams quick press release
>
> We hereby confirm that we won't start any
> negotiations with F1 teams before the future and
> details of the sister team contracts haven't been
> clarified. Generally we're very open to the idea
> of sister teams, though.
I did post what Reve and I have agreed on concerning the changes to the Sister Team Rules in the F1 thread a couple of days ago, however unfortunately it seems to have gone pretty much unnoticed
Anyway this is what was proposed:
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Okay this is what Reve and I have discussed concerning the sister teams ruling, admittedly it was him who has re-written the rule as I've been too busy to much work on the series lately, so all credit goes to Reve
Loan Drivers
F1 teams can loan drivers who they have already signed for the next season to instead race or test for one of the GP2 teams next season. This can be extremely beneficial as it allows managers to build up the perf of a younger driver, who may not be ready for F1 just yet, without wasting one of their seats in the main team. The exact details and clauses of the loan deals are to be discussed between the F1 and GP2 manager and there are no limitations as to what they can be, but you will have to send a copy of all the clauses included in the deal to Twigster and Reve-san so we can keep track of things to ensure that there is no wrong doing. Money received from loan deals can be spent at anytime during the season on either contract negotiations or testing, but any left over at the end of the season will be added to your testing budget.
Note, that the following drivers are not allowed to join GP2 Series:
-> Drivers, who have driven a whole season (18 races) in Formula 1
-> Drivers, who are over the age of 30
-> Drivers, who have won the GP2 Championship
Additionally GP2 managers are also able to loan out their drivers to a F1 team at the end of the GP2 season. While the drivers benefit from their Formula 1 experience, they will still be able to drive in GP2 next season except they reach the 18 F1 races mark. The money received will be added to the current budget immediately and can be used for negotiations or be saved for next years test sessions.
Sister Team Contracts
In addition to loan drivers, F1 and GP2 teams are now allowed to be linked up to sister teams. These contracts can be signed anywhen throughout the whole season and can last as many races / seasons as the two teams agree on. If you sign such a contract, the two teams will be seen as one team when it comes to negotiations. This is good, if you remember this rule:
„... The driver will accept the highest offer unless his current team are within £500k of the highest bid for the driver in which case the driver will stay with his current team.“
Additionally F1 teams could say that they are only loaning out their drivers to their sister team and vice versa, but that´s completely up to them. It is also possible to rename the GP2 team to show the relationship between the two teams.
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Also note that any rule changes will only come into effect next season. For now as I have already stated I am happy to allow drivers to race in both F1 and GP2 at the same time, as long as they meet the requirements for GP2, in order to avoid the issue with the current rules.
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Oh, I'm sorry. Must really have missed that. I must admit, I still don't see the real benefit of sister teams in this case, but the new loan driver rules are definitely a good beginning, in my opinion.
And just to clarify it once more: From the next season on, drivers will not be allowed to race in GP2 and test in F1 at the same time (but only for the remaining races in F1, when GP2 is already over). Is that correct?
GPGSL : Team Owner of 'Maverick Track Performance' (MTP)
And just to clarify it once more: From the next season on, drivers will not be allowed to race in GP2 and test in F1 at the same time (but only for the remaining races in F1, when GP2 is already over). Is that correct?
GPGSL : Team Owner of 'Maverick Track Performance' (MTP)
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