Williams Renault for 2012 OFFICIAL!
Posted by danm
YEAHHHHHHHHHH!
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Ahhhh!!!
"Jenson Button signs for Williams for 2012" would make this more awesome!
But there is something seriously special about the words, Williams-Renault!
Rumours of Renault wanting a stake in Williams too are even more promising :D! Dead excited for how this could all turn out! But they have good engines, now its time to build a good chassis!
"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL
"Jenson Button signs for Williams for 2012" would make this more awesome!
But there is something seriously special about the words, Williams-Renault!
Rumours of Renault wanting a stake in Williams too are even more promising :D! Dead excited for how this could all turn out! But they have good engines, now its time to build a good chassis!
"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL
just you and I at this party Chet!
Jenson drives it like he owns it; Lewis drives it like he stole it
As a long time Williams fan as well, I am happy, but keeping that happiness in check. The car has been the let down so far, not the Cosworth engine, and this isn't suddenly going to be an instant success in 12 months.
While a new technical direction is good, 2 out of the 3 new recruits haven't been in F1 in a good few years, but the link up with a manufacturer should generate more commercial sponsorship opportunities and Renault, now not a team in F1, will be pushing this side of the business to get as much publicity as possible.
While a new technical direction is good, 2 out of the 3 new recruits haven't been in F1 in a good few years, but the link up with a manufacturer should generate more commercial sponsorship opportunities and Renault, now not a team in F1, will be pushing this side of the business to get as much publicity as possible.
This definitely isn't going to transform the team. But it's a positive move all the same. For 2 years at least they'll have an engine that is proven to be equal to the best, so there's no question of it being any-kind of weak link. What's more positive, assuming the option for 2013/14 is taken up is that Renault are probably in a far better position to develop the 1.6 V6 Turbo than Cosworth are.
However, the major problem is that the best chassis team belongs to Red Bull, and they also have Renault engines.
However, the major problem is that the best chassis team belongs to Red Bull, and they also have Renault engines.
Was it not common knowledge that the engine was the achilies heel for Williams since BMW left?
Jenson drives it like he owns it; Lewis drives it like he stole it
danm Wrote:
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> Was it not common knowledge that the engine was
> the achilies heel for Williams since BMW left?
So what was their Achilles heel while they had BMW?
In all seriousness, nostalgia wins the day! Williams Renault. Brilliant!
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> Was it not common knowledge that the engine was
> the achilies heel for Williams since BMW left?
So what was their Achilles heel while they had BMW?
In all seriousness, nostalgia wins the day! Williams Renault. Brilliant!
Well I wouldn't say there was a massive issue or achilies heel with the BMW engine or Williams Chassis, their success was quite good in such a short time. Teams need a grace period to develop, like Red Bull/Renault have done.
Not forgetting how dominant Ferrari were around the time Williams has BMW, they were hardly bad.
The problems were allegedly down to later politics. Thiessen fell sour when Button-gate didn't pull through. Frank didn't really want Heidfeld. Williams tried to be radical and failed with the walrus nose. Hats off to them for trying to be different. But it all boiled up after a few years of light success and BMW left to pursue their own venture through impatience.
Frank blamed BMW for not having a decent enough engine. Thiessen blamed the Williams chassis.
The early wins and podiums with BMW were promising. The turnaround for the team in the state that it was in the years after they won the constructors championship was a slight downfall, only to pick up again when BMW joined in.
You have to think that if they had stayed and worked through the political issues, what could have been...
They should have had BMW power up until 2009 or so, before they left to buy Sauber out.
It was simply impatience. Ferrari were winning EVERYTHING. BMW wanted results. Immediately.
I guess they realised you can't click your fingers and expect.
Still, Williams Renault is good for countless reasons. They are an engineering team. They will come good again.
Jenson drives it like he owns it; Lewis drives it like he stole it
Not forgetting how dominant Ferrari were around the time Williams has BMW, they were hardly bad.
The problems were allegedly down to later politics. Thiessen fell sour when Button-gate didn't pull through. Frank didn't really want Heidfeld. Williams tried to be radical and failed with the walrus nose. Hats off to them for trying to be different. But it all boiled up after a few years of light success and BMW left to pursue their own venture through impatience.
Frank blamed BMW for not having a decent enough engine. Thiessen blamed the Williams chassis.
The early wins and podiums with BMW were promising. The turnaround for the team in the state that it was in the years after they won the constructors championship was a slight downfall, only to pick up again when BMW joined in.
You have to think that if they had stayed and worked through the political issues, what could have been...
They should have had BMW power up until 2009 or so, before they left to buy Sauber out.
It was simply impatience. Ferrari were winning EVERYTHING. BMW wanted results. Immediately.
I guess they realised you can't click your fingers and expect.
Still, Williams Renault is good for countless reasons. They are an engineering team. They will come good again.
No... I don't think Williams have had a weak engine in a very long time.
Even when it was the old Renault, branded as a Mecachrome or Supertec, it was far from weak. The BMW developed into a very good engine very quickly, The Cosworth was always respectable enough and the Toyota was always probably a better engine than the chassis it powered, including the Toyota chassis.
Even when it was the old Renault, branded as a Mecachrome or Supertec, it was far from weak. The BMW developed into a very good engine very quickly, The Cosworth was always respectable enough and the Toyota was always probably a better engine than the chassis it powered, including the Toyota chassis.
The Toyota engine was indeed weak, where the '06 Cosworth suffered from a poor installation more than anything else.
The biggest clue with the Toyota? Check out Williams results for Monza with the Toyota engine then check out how they did last season with a change of engine supplier. The Cosworth engine is indeed a pretty good unit, and that has always been stated. The Williams drivers at the start of 2010 said it was immediately better than the Toyota unit in all areas.
The BMW era is abit hard to gauge, because Williams still had some pretty talented engineers like Gavin Fisher working on the chassis side and there was more of a difference in engine power and overall performance than we have now. The current V8 units don't have a lot of difference due to the development freeze on them and the limited revs allowed. If it really did make a difference then Team Lotus would be flying in the midfield or more.
So Williams need the chassis more than the engine difference, that much is true.
The biggest clue with the Toyota? Check out Williams results for Monza with the Toyota engine then check out how they did last season with a change of engine supplier. The Cosworth engine is indeed a pretty good unit, and that has always been stated. The Williams drivers at the start of 2010 said it was immediately better than the Toyota unit in all areas.
The BMW era is abit hard to gauge, because Williams still had some pretty talented engineers like Gavin Fisher working on the chassis side and there was more of a difference in engine power and overall performance than we have now. The current V8 units don't have a lot of difference due to the development freeze on them and the limited revs allowed. If it really did make a difference then Team Lotus would be flying in the midfield or more.
So Williams need the chassis more than the engine difference, that much is true.
its a balance of both chassis and engine, and we would never be able to tell what was weighted more, so we will be here to eternity hypothesizing.
but one thing must be noted regarding engines - look at what difference the mercedes hash job did versus the box honda for brawn (diffuser not included).
Jenson drives it like he owns it; Lewis drives it like he stole it
but one thing must be noted regarding engines - look at what difference the mercedes hash job did versus the box honda for brawn (diffuser not included).
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but one thing must be noted regarding engines - look at what difference the mercedes hash job did versus the box honda for brawn (diffuser not included).
I that had more to do with Honda abandoning their 2008 car in order to fully concentrate on the 2009 car months before anyone else did.
Though of course the Merc was a million miles ahead of the Honda - indeed it is probably still the best all-round engine.
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