EC83 Wrote:
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> What is 30hp?
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> Every little helps?
>
As ive said, im pretty sure that difference in HP is a nothing number. If Horner came out and said the Merc had x amount of torque over x amount of rev range and the Renault this, then there could well be a cause for concern. I know nothing about racecar engines, just stuff read in books so if somebody does know ill happy to be corrected if wrong.
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> Sure.
> Whitmarsh claimed that the team "cost Lewis 2
> seconds" when they screwed up his final pitstop by
> not having his tyres ready. In reality it was at
> least 4 seconds they cost him(not enough to affect
> the final result IMO, but he was still talking
> bollocks.) Ted Kravitz then suggested otherwise to
> him, and he continued to disagree and maintain the
> "2 seconds" line. If you read the relevant page of
> the Valencia 2009 thread, you'll see the reaction
> of some of the regulars here which summed up
> Whitmarsh's comments pretty well TBH.
> My point being, it was exactly the same kind of BS
> he pulled in Melbourne - just over a less serious
> matter.
I dont understand.
4 seconds, 2seconds. It didnt have an effect either way. If he was lying he was lying to himself or he cant count. Its not like that lie has effected the race result or the race itself is it? Its like when JB says he made a mistake which cost x tenths. Half the time I dont believe him, it doesnt effect what is what but if it makes him happy then why not?
I dont know why that instant can be used as an example, it seems like ... nothing? but if those 2seconds are important to some people then who am I to argue?
What you mean is it is the best proof of Whitmarsh being a lying cheating bastard, and you wanted to neutralise the possibility of that being brought up by singling it out and asking us not to use it. No dice.I simply singled out an instance the whole world knows because I didnt need to be reminded of it. I was curious of other instances of which has labelled him a lying cheating bastard. You know other instances which may have effect race results, or even FP results! Aus was a major blot on his CV and he wont live it down, and rightly so. It was terrible. But unlike say Flav who you could argue a number of instances of, "is that legal or not" or with Ron the number of orchestrated changes in posistion or even sky-gate where Lewis, engineers and Alonso, were all cheating bastards.
I'm really getting tired of this bullsh*t. When Lewis and Rubens whine, they are just passionate. They are showing emotion, and it is applauded. When Horner, Alonso or Ferrari whine, they get told to shut up. F1 fans will play both sides of the field, whilst moaning about people moaning. Man the f**k up - Horner is doing his job and trying to get his team further up the grid using LEGAL AVENUES. Something Whitmarsh needs to learn more about.Related to me or general?
Because if aimed at me, go back and read the comments about Rubens moaning ...
With regards to Alonso, i think all I said was he should probably concentrate on his own race rather than another drivers!
I understand Horner is doing the best for his team, but must I repeat it more than once??
He's describing figures which are MEANINGLESS. Unless he gets real engine data from each engine and shows the FIA this standardised engine thing is bollocks (which it is!) he has no argument at all. The Renault might down on power but its up in other areas im sure!
Its like a car. Well its got @#$%& loads of downforce, oh but wait its got quite abit of drag too .... Its a compramise!
THIS WILL ALWAYS HAPPEN UNLESS WE HAVE A SINGLE ENGINE SUPPLIER. That is a fact. Right or wrong? Its common @#$%& sense. Each engine will perform differently CAR TO CAR. Why ahve Sauber had so many engine failures????
Something Whitmarsh needs to learn more about.Your getting tired of BS?
Me too! Im tired of the F1 fans who take a single incident and judge via that. I suspect if Whitmarsh spent 10 years in africa helping kids you'd still find a way to fault him
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"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL