2010 Formula 1™ Malaysian GP THREAD **SPOILERS**

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Cant say ive enjoyed the last few of Allens articles but this was a very good read... and confirms what most of us saw as Virgins limitation. Wheel wake. I was very supprised to see only the smallest of small cascade wings added at Aus to the rather simple wing.. Im sure by Spain they will have something rather more substantial but interesting read. It was clear to see even 3-4 races in last year where the biggest developments were being made. Go through and look at how many endplate iterations Mclaren, Force India and Williams went through last year!!!!

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"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL

yes, that is very interesting!


Meanwhile, some damning comments about the Dallara chassis. [www.autosport.com]

Sure they had the delays from the uncertain project, but it still doesn't sound good for them.

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"There a lot of reasons why this design has been compromised, not least because the programme was stop and started, stop and started. So there's quite a lot of corners that were cut in the last few weeks to get to Bahrain.

That's because Campos ran out of money and stopped paying Dallara. When you aren't getting paid, you don't do any work. Willis himself produced some pretty god awful cars for Williams and BAR/Honda, so maybe he should be careful what he says.

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he then after says, "But fundamentally I'm disappointed at the level of engineering in the car and I don't think it reflects current F1 practise by quite some margin. Now you put that down to time, some of it down to experience, some of it down to finance, but I think overall, even allowing for those things, I'm disappointed with what I see."

And who would disagree? Most expected Dallara to produce a good car, hell it was pre-season favourite im sure! Whilst the Lotus was being branded as the worst of the new by many (before race1).

With GP2, F3, World Series, and IRL experience and knowledge Dallara should have been able to design and develop a car with the basics of reliability and even some speed. Yet the Lotus effort run by Mike Gascoyne (not liked around here much!) has done a fantastic job (in maybe a shorter time period). It was reliable right from the go, and I expected Dallara to get that. Maybe not Manor, but certainly Dallara.

Willis was responsible for the most successful BAR's and Honda's and even played a more than large part in the success of Williams from Neweys departure, and then of course was bought into RB by Newey as tech director. He knows what he's talking about, and had his fair share of success to justify his opinion. His car's were far from god awful !

edit - before anyone says...

we all have and had our expectations of the car and team... it was never going to be easy. Willis is not stupid, he knew this and he will have known the difficulties they faced. his comments will be in light of knowing this, therefore my opinion comes from the basis that the comments made simply say, 'things are worse than i could ever have thought'

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"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/02/2010 10:20PM by chet.

I'm just staggered at how reliable it has been. It hadn't even had a shakedown. One car hadn't even left the pit-lane until Bahrain qualifying.

A mess of a team maybe, and perhaps they were expecting more, but given the woeful state of team in the weeks leading up to Sakhir, I'm genuinely impressed with how few issues there has been since that qualifying session. I just expected hydraulic failure after hydraulic failure, similar to what all new teams seem to succumb to, yet so far they've been more reliable than Virgin (and in many ways Red Bull). I certainly didn't given them a hope in hell of finishing in the opening 2 races, so they're already ahead of where I'd expected given the situation they were in.

We said at launch that the car looked hopelessly dated and inadequate, but I expected them to be further back than they were, and clearly if it's that bad, then there could a lot of potential that's yet to be untapped, so in terms of pace Virgin could be in their sights come the European season. Let's face it, they've been the slowest of the new teams, but they're hardly a million miles away from them given their lack of running and preparation.

I was expecting another Mastercard Lola.

Have to agree with Gav. Considering the state that team was in and their lack of running, I'd say what they've done so far has been bloody impressive, and bodes well for the rest of their season.

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Kovalainen through to Q2!!

Quite funny that both Ferrari's and McLarens failed to get out of q1.

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Button got into q2, just couldn't drive

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Same difference.

This teams never seem to learn !!

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I hope this doesn't happen again tomorrow. I wanna see a full race

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This late start simply does not work, what is the point starting it later for us to watch when they cannot run due to the rain they get every day.

Great job by Webber! 1.3 seconds faster - wow!

Should be in for a fantastic race tomorrow, if rain doesn't stop it again lol.

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Almost makes you wonder whether its fixed or not. I know its not, but with all the techno gizmos F1 teams have, sometimes you wonder whether they forgot to plug in their brain !

I really dont understand the decision to be out there at the start when it really looked pretty good for Malaysia rain!!!

Silly Jenson though..! He should have turned his engine off the start though. I got quite angry seeing those marshals trying to do the impossible and push his car out the way! Dangerous, and if I were FIA or Martin, I would have to say something. Bad move JB.

Kudos to Hulk :D! Rubens was my pole man but still, both Williams well placed so im pleased. Luizzi was a disapointment, Kobayashi did OK, let's hope he has a trouble free race now !

Good laps from Webber, and Nico! Schumacher looked lost at sea (:p).

All in all, I hope something happens at the start for both RedBulls otherwise they are going to walk away!!! With or without mixed conditions tomorrow will be good to watch !

Though I am not looking forward to the moment Lewis overtakes JB on track (Atlas JB v's Lewis thread will go mad ), and yes it will happen. That is "for sure". JB has been dreadful, the 2-3 tenth gap on Friday went to 5tenths earlier. Lewis will rape him tomorrow. Ill say it now as to not get my expectations too high: Jenson will disapoint tomorrow. We will see a fighting Lewis and Alonso but JB nad Massa will not get near them in terms of pace or ruthlessness IMO. I just hope for mixed conditions for that reason only. In the dry he wont stand a chance.

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"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL

I really felt stefano domenicali is not the right team principle for ferrari team... although less corrupt and more honest i would prefer flavio briatore to be a ferrari team boss.. sicne he is free from the court.. although we know him as sometimes doing a really doing bad habit...but a very good strategist.. i would prefer this dirty men rather an uncompatible knowledge clean men stefano.... and hamilton.... rain master.. where are you?? i thought you where the modern ayrton senna huh...

I'm with Eddie Jordan on this one... what the hell were Ferrari and McLaren thinking, not putting in a banker lap at THE most unpredictable race on the calendar? That was utterly senseless and I've got ni sympathy for them.

Once again, Michael Schumacher looked a half-step behind everyone else. Went out on the wrong tyres twice, got himself stuck behind a Renault when he could have overtaken him, just looked out of sorts with modern F1.

Superb job by Webber. Let's hope Red Bull can finish a race this time!

However, it doesn't bode well for F1 that the *only* excitement we've had so far this year is when there is rain. On the one occasion where the track and conditions were consistent, it was mind-numbingly boring. I say we don't judge the new formula just yet...

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Silly Jenson though..! He should have turned his engine off the start though. I got quite angry seeing those marshals trying to do the impossible and push his car out the way! Dangerous, and if I were FIA or Martin, I would have to say something. Bad move JB.

He was told to keep the engine going in case they brought him back onto the track (like they did with Hamilton at the Nurburgring in 2007). It's clearly not a problem for the engine anyway. Force India were more than happy to leave Sutil and Liuzzi at the end of the pitlane for 2 minutes when Q3 resumed.

If things started getting marginal there's plenty of time to tell the driver to turn it off.

He was told to keep the engine going in case they brought him back onto the track (like they did with Hamilton at the Nurburgring in 2007)

But still, if Jenson aquaplanned what stopped another doing the same even under waved double-yellows then hitting his car, and putting the marshals more at risk. It was a stupid thing to do at Nurburgring and it was stupid today. There was no way the car was going to budge and it put marshals under more risk than needed imo.

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"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL

Wow ultra ferrari fail again, why dont they learn?!?! They are fighting for the wdc, so like redbull they should have been conservative and gone out getting a banker lap atleast!
Nevermind, should be an exciting race to see the ferrari's and mclarens battling through!

Great decision by Webber, but I really thought Vettel would get the pole in the wet!

Also was stupid for Mclaren/Button to think that a crane would pull them out? I thought they disallowed that after 2007 anyway?!

Did Jensen expect them to push him out of the hole his rear tyres had made so he could try and get going again, or push\carry him all the way out of the gravel trap? I think Petrov spearing through the scene really emphasised the point of what everyone else has said about Marshal safety.

I don't know though, if a Marshal comes across a driver who seems adamant on demanding a push, does the Marshal have any authority, besides just refusing to do anything until the tractor arrives, to effectively order the driver out of the car?

Anyway, what a great quali session! Really bad mistake by McLaren and Ferrari, you could see where they were coming from but it proved to be hideously wrong whereas the safest thing they could have done is of course just put in a banker which probably would have still been faster than the three new teams could manage. As Martin and Jonathan were stressing, it rains at that time every day of the rainy season in Malaysia and it rains a lot; why did they expect it to suddenly go any differently?

But at any rate, it was great to see the smaller teams fight for the top 10 positions, great to see both Williams high up, great stuff by Hulkenberg, nice to see Kobayashi in there too. Nice to see Petrov as high as 11th on the grid - both the Renaults appear very quick off the blocks and Vitaly goes for feisty starts - should be interesting to see where he and Kubica end up at the end of lap one. Really hoping Petrov just finishes the race though this time. (jinxed him for a first corner crash now I bet... :\ )

Rosberg looking very strong, but ultimately I think Vettel will do him quickly. Brilliant pole by Webber, though maybe aided by being on the right tyre at the right time (can't take it away from him though). Race appears to be Red Bull's to loose. But with rain most likely again tomorrow deep into the race, and Red Bull not exactly bulletproof, who knows?