What new rules would you introduce for Formula 1

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What new rules would you introduce for Formula 1
Date: March 16, 2010 03:56PM
Posted by: AJTWWE
Considering the borefest we had with the Bahrain Grand Prix and the lack of overtaking and on track action, i was wondering what rules would you like to implement to help the sport. If they are going to stick with the refuelling ban then what i would like to see happen is racier tyres so the drivers have to pit more but the main thing i would like to see happen is to adapt a le mans style race which lasts 2 hours and the winner is the driver who has done most laps and is ahead of everyone else if on same lap.

What are your thoughts?
Re: What new rules would you introduce for Formula 1
Date: March 16, 2010 04:01PM
Posted by: Nickv
Ban the double diffuser. Let the drivers use more engines and gearboxes. Get rid of the rev limit. Go back to 3 liter V10s (to lower cornering speeds -> more overtaking). Get rid of the standardized gearboxes. Get a second tyre manufacturer. Raise the pit speed limit to 120.
Re: What new rules would you introduce for Formula 1
Date: March 16, 2010 04:12PM
Posted by: gav
Remove flappy-paddle gear changes (perhaps add the clutch again too), make the tyres go off way, way quicker rather than making a certain number of pitstops mandatory and remove the prime and option requirements.

Perhaps introduce FIA-spec wings and diffusers which provide absolutely minimal downforce and free up other aspects of design.
Nothing - no new rules are needed.
Todays F1 is struggling due to lack of engine power.
Today good cars are always fast and bad cars are always slow, no matter how good is the driver onboard.
Bring MORE ENGINE POWER to F1, to allow drivers show their real abilities.
After 2004, the effects of power reduction from V10 to V8 engines were not so severe due to the downforce levels that not only were reduced but were allowed to raise until 2008.
Then after the downforce was reduced in 2009 and 2010 the "no-overtakes" problem became more obvious and in 2010 it's getting worse as the cars have +15 kilos added to min weight and all race fuel loaded.
So, IMHO only more engine power will make the show better.
I know it's not a cost-effective way and cannot be implemented this year, but F1 seems to be in trouble without overtaking, empty seats in certain circuits get more and more year after year and the F1 world cannot afford any more boring seasons.

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Less efficient brakes and Free up engine regulations, those are the only two I can think that Nick and Gav havnt already said.



Re: What new rules would you introduce for Formula 1
Date: March 16, 2010 05:46PM
Posted by: Anonymous User
+ Larger wheels
+ Reduced aerodynamic grip, lower wing settings, ban shark fins, ban double diffusers
+ Forget refulling, we managed for years without it. That is not the problem, so.... make the tyres less durable and force a mandatory number of pitstops, two or three should do it
+ Shorter wheelbases. Maybe the cars are too long?
+ Switch to steel brakes. This would increase braking times and create more scope for outbraking other cars. I think. I might be talking @#$%&.
Re: What new rules would you introduce for Formula 1
Date: March 16, 2010 05:49PM
Posted by: Anonymous User
Nickv Wrote:
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> Raise the pit speed limit to 120.

Aye, and give them cannabis and put strippers on the podium while they're at it. This ain't Amsterdam :P
Re: What new rules would you introduce for Formula 1
Date: March 16, 2010 05:58PM
Posted by: msater
loque Wrote:
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> + Forget refulling, we managed for years without
> it. That is not the problem, so.... make the
> tyres less durable and force a mandatory number of
> pitstops, two or three should do it

Quite right!

I would also do the reverse grid option, so the fastest qualifier starts from the back. But only on random tracks decided AFTER qualifying has taken pace.

People say it would make mockery of the sport, but think about races with HRT starting on pole :P



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Re: What new rules would you introduce for Formula 1
Date: March 16, 2010 06:28PM
Posted by: Team CLR
+Get rid of the "shark fin" engine covers.

+Ban Ferrari's aero device wheels from next year onwards.

+Introduce more tyre suppliers (3 or more preferably).

+Lessen the amount of Tilke designed tracks (not a rule per se, but it must be done).

+Lower the front wing, and ban in car flap adjusters.

+Widen the front tyres.

Re: What new rules would you introduce for Formula 1
Date: March 16, 2010 06:30PM
Posted by: Anonymous User
Team CLR Wrote:
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> +Lessen the amount of Tilke designed tracks (not a
> rule per se, but it must be done).

We all know this is the main problem. I just don't understand how the FIA don't see how @#$%& they are.
Re: What new rules would you introduce for Formula 1
Date: March 16, 2010 06:40PM
Posted by: Nickv
loque Schreef:
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> Nickv Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Raise the pit speed limit to 120.
>
> Aye, and give them cannabis and put strippers on
> the podium while they're at it. This ain't
> Amsterdam :P

That's kilometers :P
I'd ease the limitations on engines, gearboxes, etc. so that teams are not forever trying to preserve worn-out components.

I'd introduce limits on diffusers to enable cars to follow each other more closely through the air.

I'd make it mandatory for tyre manufacturers to produce a certain grade of rubber which offers excellent performance for a limited time, then drops off horribly. No gradual decline for the whole field; just great performance one lap and abysmal the next, forcing them to make an additional pit stop (provided it can be done safely, of course).

I'd also relax the stringent rules on "racing" somewhat, so that drivers can attempt brave overtaking moves without fear of being slapped with a penalty by some pathetic anti-racing stewards (Belgium 2008 springs to mind).



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Re: What new rules would you introduce for Formula 1
Date: March 16, 2010 07:21PM
Posted by: danm
- Unlimited engine/gearbox changes etc. Things break, just replace them. Why penalise a teams entire weekend by one engine fault?

- Unlimited engine development. Forces engine manufacturers to constantly change and meet innovation. Adds variety, chance of engine failure when ideas are pushed, and a secondary level of competition between manufacturers.

- Counter higher engine development by restricting the amount of work on team based micro aero parts. Ban these ridiculous winglets.

- Bring back manual gear lever shifting and true clutches. It is the way it is MEANT to be done! Driver skill = essence. Make them work for it and punish them for slip ups.

- Cover the airport sized runoffs at tracks with MORE , AND DEEPER GRAVEL TRAPS!

- Increase the front tyres almost to rear levels. Square the car up, make it less elongated.

- Steel brakes.

- Bring back a choice of 3 tyre suppliers.


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Re: What new rules would you introduce for Formula 1
Date: March 16, 2010 07:22PM
Posted by: Frantic
No More Double Diffusers
Not an unique tyre supplier
Harder tyres
No rev limits
No engine freeze
No standard things
3 types of engines, teams would select between V8 (less powerful but low weight), V12 (more powerful but high weight), or V10 (equilibrated)
Fast corners (so, not Tilke-dromes, except Malaysia and Istambul). (Best races in the last seasons where in classic tracks (Spa, Monza, Interlagos, Suzuka)
Larger wheels, and less rear downforce.



F1 has to have less aerodynamical grip, and generate mechanic grip

Re: What new rules would you introduce for Formula 1
Date: March 16, 2010 07:32PM
Posted by: msater
Locke Cole Wrote:
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> I'd also relax the stringent rules on "racing"
> somewhat, so that drivers can attempt brave
> overtaking moves without fear of being slapped
> with a penalty by some pathetic anti-racing
> stewards (Belgium 2008 springs to mind).

+1



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Re: What new rules would you introduce for Formula 1
Date: March 16, 2010 08:09PM
Posted by: Team CLR
I agree with the higher limit on engines and gearboxes, gives the drivers more room to push harder during races. Also agree with the banning of the double deck diffuser.

Anybody who thinks Tilke tracks are the problem are deluded and should look at the following link.
[www.cliptheapex.com]

In the past six years the Top 4 tracks for average number of overtakes in a dry race are all Tilke tracks, and 6 of the Top 10 are. It also shows that last weekends Grand Prix had the 9th most overtakes in a dry race in the past six seasons. This doesn't include the passes made on Vettel or Glock when they were hampered with technical issues by the way.
Re: What new rules would you introduce for Formula 1
Date: March 16, 2010 11:36PM
Posted by: tripleM
It's easy to rack up a big number of overtakes when there are 6 cars at least 3 seconds a lap slower than the rest.


Re: What new rules would you introduce for Formula 1
Date: March 17, 2010 02:08AM
Posted by: sasjag
Fat grippy tyres and skinny wings

Or a maximum value for lift and BHP, minimum for drag, and iits up to teh teams how they get there

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Re: What new rules would you introduce for Formula 1
Date: March 17, 2010 02:42AM
Posted by: n00binio
if you exclude virgin, lotus and hrt you're left with 8 overtaking moves which is the same as we saw in 2005. additionally back in the 80s and 90s we saw even bigger gaps between the best and the worst car, so imo this is hardly a good point.
imo most interesting is the fact that we had a decline in overtakings till 94, since then the numbers have always been around 200 to 300. i can't remember anyone complaining about too little overtaking moves in 94 or 95. there have been some seasons since 94 that were highly entertaining despite an average amount of overtaking moves. so instead of moaning about overtaking moves we should consider the possibility that numbers alone are not sufficient for a good race.
consider monaco 92, the closing stages with mansell hunting senna. there was no need for an overtaking move as this fight was better than any other move could have been. i think the problem today is that most drivers don't even risk starting an fight on the track cause they are afraid to crash and lose points. back in the 90s you could risk these fights cause it was almost sure that the other title contenders would score a dnf themselves at another race. overtaking might be difficult nowadays but drivers not wanting to try it in first place doesn't help either.
it might be a silly idea but why not reversing to pre 91 regulations - out of 19 races only the 14 best results count towards the championship. maybe that would encourage drivers to fight for positions as there's less to lose.
as i said, it might me a silly idea but to look at the numbers and say races are booring because of a lack of successful overtaking moves is way to easy.



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