Stefan GP?

As I understand, they have Toyota's old headquarters and car. And they're sending their equipment to Bahrain.

Do you believe they'll get a grid slot?

Bernie certainly does. http://en.espnf1.com/f1/motorsport/story/8107.html

If Senna gets a drive elsewhere, I've no objections to Stefan replacing Campos.

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"I do not believe in the participation of US F1 and Campos,"

Bernie should STFU, it's those kinds of comments that can dissuade potential sponsors from backing either of those teams.

All the team need is Flavio, Nigel etc then they will have a great team lol

I think its quite clear Campos will not make it tbh and if I was Bruno I would get out the team now.

I think Campos will be alright. Senna also knows more than the average forumer here, so if he stays then there must be at least some good things going on at the team.

Yeah, Bruno had talks with several teams and in the end Campos was the one he chose. So surely they must be in better shape in reality than they seem. Bearing in mind also that Dallara are heavily involved in their F1 project.

Certainly it would be a major upset - and a slap in the face for a lot of people who've invested - if Campos did pull out now.

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Stefan's press releases are always funny, they obviously either have a very bad translator, or none at all.

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I'll be pissed if Campos don't make it and USF1 do. Dallara chassis not making the grid, and USF1s chassis which has been designed with hopes, dreams and patriotism does? That'd suck.

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and USF1s chassis which has been designed with hopes, dreams and patriotism does?

That's brilliant. Summed up in such a short sentence and so well. :D

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> All the team need is Flavio, Nigel etc then they
> will have a great team lol
>

lol, you do wonder how they plan to convince to the FIA to let them in when they appear to have stolen campos' car from under them, are trying to take their grid slot by force and then they hire that motley crew to run it.

i hear this is going to be their new logo!

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when they appear to have stolen campos' car from under them

Stefan are running the 2010 Toyota F1 design, which was never revealed after Toyota pulled the plug on the F1 project. Campos car is being built by Dallara and has nothing to do with Stefan GPs entry. Given the Campos/Dallara car has already past several crash tests and is nearly completion, it is common sense that Dallara will simply sell the car to someone else at some point if contracts allow.

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> when they appear to have stolen campos' car from
> under them
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> Stefan are running the 2010 Toyota F1 design,
> which was never revealed after Toyota pulled the
> plug on the F1 project. Campos car is being built
> by Dallara and has nothing to do with Stefan GPs
> entry. Given the Campos/Dallara car has already
> past several crash tests and is nearly completion,
> it is common sense that Dallara will simply sell
> the car to someone else at some point if contracts
> allow.

i know,

but i think what just makes it a bit worse is that they bought it with no intention whatsoever of using it.

they're committed to using the toyota and the only reason they've bought the dallara is to force campos to drop out so they can take their grid slot.

i'd have quite liked to have seen what the dallara was like.

but i guess at the end of the day that just the dog eat dog world of 21'st century business.



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Have they really bought the Dallara car though?

No; it's all speculative at this point.

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they're committed to using the toyota and the only reason they've bought the dallara is to force campos to drop out so they can take their grid slot.

Uh-huh. Well, to put it mildly - no. Campos already had money issues. If they have not been keeping up payments for the car, then tough - they wouldn't have made the grid anyway. If Dallara has sold the car to Stefan GP (and that is a big if) then Campos have clearly been in breach of contract anyway, so both Stefan GP and Dallara would be well within there right to make a new deal. It makes sense for Dallara to spend that amount of money on a car and then do what they can to get it in the hands of somebody who has the ability to put it on the grid.

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> Uh-huh. Well, to put it mildly - no. Campos
> already had money issues. If they have not been
> keeping up payments for the car, then tough - they
> wouldn't have made the grid anyway.

i know they have big money issues and their participation was starting to look unlikely, i just think this is stefan gp's way of making 100% sure they don't make it so they can have the slot themselves.

>If Dallara has sold the car to Stefan GP (and that is a big if)
> then Campos have clearly been in breach of
> contract anyway, so both Stefan GP and Dallara
> would be well within there right to make a new
> deal. It makes sense for Dallara to spend that
> amount of money on a car and then do what they can
> to get it in the hands of somebody who has the
> ability to put it on the grid.

completely agree, i'm not implying Dallara are in anyway at fault.
They've spent a lot of time and money developing it and will want to see at least some sort of return on that. and if campos can't pay up, then contracts permitting, they're perfectly entitled to strike a deal with someone who will.

all i was trying to say was that if all this is true, its a shame that after all that effort, its ended up in the hands of people who (given the info/rumours about them so far) would appear to have no intention of using it.

Stefan is just buying all the naughty people who got kicked out of other teams, it would appear. The skull and crossbones would indeed look awesome.

I can see this as a viable entry. I've always said Campos and USF1 didn't convince me.

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> I'll be pissed if Campos don't make it and USF1
> do. Dallara chassis not making the grid, and USF1s
> chassis which has been designed with hopes, dreams
> and patriotism does? That'd suck.


Oh do do please give us your insight to technical design of the USF1 car.

OR, let's distinguish between car and team. I sure hope you dont mean USF1 car because let's be frank, you dont know d you and to make such comments are silly to say the least, correct? Unless of course you do know, in which case i'd be greatful if you could backup you hopes and dreams claims with a source.

So im just going to assume you mean the USF1 team compared with the Campos team, is that okay?

Put as simply as possible, if the USF1 team make it and Campos do not make it, I will know which team/operation was built on hope, dreams and patriotism.

Ive seen ive seen progress from USF1 and yet more doubts over Campos (minus Dallara). NOW Dallara might have got the job done but whats a car without a team - well ask Lola!

Ive been sceptical about USF1, look back and read if you wish, but if they make it, then they clearly have got the job done whilst Campos have not.

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hmmm,

maybe its a case of people putting 2 and 2 together and getting 5.

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this seems to suggest that Stefan do have a deal with Dallara, however it is a deal to develop the toyota chassis that they already have. not to buy the one they've built for Campos.



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Well if they all make it StefenGP will not be on the grid.