Lewis Hamilton on 2007: "I blew Alonso away"

Monaco 2007 I blame mclaren as they did not explain to Lewis what was going on until way after the race by which time he had already gone mad.

But I dont see people flaming Rubens over his out burst at the German GP, this is what I mean that its ok for one driver but not for another.

Canada and USA Lewis beat Alonso fair and square.

Having two "superstars" in the same team rarely works. People sometimes hark back to the days of Senna and Prost at McLaren but for the most part the car was clearly the fastest car of the field to the tune of some seconds per lap. Yet the squabbling nearly tore the team apart. Had they'd been team-mates when there was a team with a car truly capable of racing it... one of them would have been removed from the championship equation. McLaren are still arrogant enough to think they can cope with two egotistic superstars but they forget they are in a era where the whole field is often covered by less than 2 seconds per lap, and the lead car only a tenth or so at best over the next.

I think it can work with 2 top drivers in the team, but Mclaren have shown 3 times now that they cannot manage it and next year is going to be fun. But I do not count Button as a top line driver yet.

Ferrari will have fun next year I think, Kimi was laid back so did not moan in public but Alonso and Massa that should be fun.

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> ^Watch the press thing from Brazil 1992.

Already had, several times.


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> I dont see people flaming Rubens over his out
> burst at the German GP

Because, again, it's not the same thing. Rubens was venting his frustration at the way he felt the situation within Brawn was going, not bending over backwards to kiss his own ass. There was no arrogance in that outburst, just anger.

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It's a shame, the guy digs his own grave. I know some may think that Hamilton is picked on and I'm also sure that some people genuinely dislike him.
There is no denying that he has immense talent ...... but unlike some, I disagree with the label " The best in Formula1 ". He simply is not. The problem I believe, is his attitude.
For years F1 has been the pinnacle of motor sport, where only the exclusive or very fortunate could dare to venture. There have always been characters, some bad tempered, some not completely honest, some nonchalant and indisposed to playing as a team member even, but the one thing that these guys all had in common was class. Some how they made most people over look these failings because of the caliber of their personalities. They were at times debonair and mysterious and no matter how much you disapproved of their antics you could not wait to see them race a gain.

Unfortunately Hamilton does not fit into any of those categories, he's like ' Big-foot ' at Kindergarten. He's the only one that would bring a Champaign glass to a beer festival.

What I'm saying is, most heroes look like heroes, they talk like heroes, even when at times they appear to be villains.
Lewis has an annoying manner about him his mouth is too big and his voice sounds like if he swapped it with his girlfriend ( x girlfriend )

His remarks are childish and insecure. He has talent but very little maturity he has speed but no self control.
He has come to the sport with a football mentality even down to his x W.A.G girlfriend.

His father like was previously mentioned, has also entered the sport like it owes him a living .... like it was written some where in ancient times that Lewis is destined to be the greatest F1 driver ever. It's all quiet laughable.

Lewis is a fantastic talent no doubt and he will completely annihilate Button who but for a twist of fate in the guise of Ross Brawn, has no business in a Mclaren or any other top team.
But Button is one of the smallest kid's on the block in competition terms ....... he, ... Lewis, has much bigger problems waiting for him in 2010.


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^Well said.

I do think last year he improved as a driver, less mistake and less trouble with the FIA.

Will be interesting to see how he goes next year.



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No-one doubts that he's a massively talented driver for his age (maybe one or two doubters) but not many like his attitude. He is not God's gift to Britain, and he is not God's gift to F1.

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He speaks with confidence, and to some it might be too much confidence... but given that he's scored the most points out of any driver since his arrival i think that talk is justified.

a big head never looks good on someone, but at least he has the helmet to fit !

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"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL

I think it's good that he has the confidence to have his own character. But unfortunately that character has tendencies to behave like a bell end. And that's fine if you like that kind of thing.

I find him quite annoying at times, but he's a racer. It's a bit like Nigel Mansell, he was bore and whinge a minute out of the car... but in the car he was magic.

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but given that he's scored the most points out of any driver since his arrival i think that talk is justified.

But who is there to compare him to? How many other drivers have started a debut season in a car capable of winning the title and had a winning car every season since?

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Precisely. Plus he's been groomed to be a superstar for years now. He's had it easy. I've said it before here, out on these islands we like our heroes to be underdogs. They have to fight to earn our adulation. Doesn't matter how talented Hamilton is, he'll probably never have the same level of support as Mansell or Hill had, probably not even the same level of support Button has, because they didn't have it easy. Or, if you prefer, didn't make it easy for themselves.

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> But who is there to compare him to? How many other
> drivers have started a debut season in a car
> capable of winning the title and had a winning car
> every season since?


My point wasnt anything about having a good car since his debut. It was since his debut hes scored the most points.

Against his team-mates and both Ferrari drivers who both had equally as good cars in 2007/2008 and for some of 09. At times in 09, Ferrari were better, then towards the end Mclaren.

He's had it easy alright, but he still had do the job, and he has. He did walk into the best car on the grid, but he still was a match for Alonso, Kimi and Massa from the go. No amount of grooming is down to that, thats down to him. He was nowhere in testing if you remember right? But he's learnt and learnt and by a few races in his first season he was at Alonso's level and ready to win.

We all know how much of a Button fan I am, and I guess to an extent it does annoy me that Lewis has been given such a chance but not for one second do I believe Button or any other driver (maybe Alonso) could have done the same as Lewis and what he has so far. I think Alonso would have destroyed anyone else who stepped into that Mclaren cockpit, destroyed mentally and on track and maybe even ruined a career before it started. Lewis might have had it easy, but by no means was it easy and its wrong for anyone to say so.

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"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL

chet, we're going in circles here.

We all think he's talented. We don't like his attitude. Please stop trying to justify his talents, because you're preaching to the choir.

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Mclaren invested in Lewis from an early age, theres no difference than say a club like Manchester United bringing youngsters through the academy system and debuting them into the first team right away like Ryan Giggs did.

That doesnt take anything away from his achievements, nor should it with Lewis.

Another thing to remember is that any driver would gladly do what Hamilton did and get a race winning seat from the off, rather than run around in a crap car at the back like Alonso did at Minardi to get racing experience.

Hamilton did his apprenticeship in F1 under the most severest spotlight and with the Media focusing on him 24/7, he also had the added pressure of being this "positive black role model" everywhere he went also.




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Chet, the point still stands. He's had a winning car all the way through. The only other driver who's been in that situation has been Kimi.

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Mclaren invested in Lewis from an early age, theres no difference than say a club like Manchester United bringing youngsters through the academy system and debuting them into the first team right away like Ryan Giggs did.

But you can't compare him because it goes against the norm.

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> But you can't compare him because it goes against
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Both were signed to a big team at an early age, groomed for success, both had success at youth level with in the teams, promoted to the first team after serving apprenticeships at respective teams, both had success in their second years at the top level winning titles

As for going against the norm, isnt that just what Mclaren did with Hamilton? Im talking about Giggs early united development and acheivement in his first fewer years, not what he later acheived throughout his career




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I meant that it's not the norm in F1, while it's been the accepted policy in football for a couple of decades now, providing you have the draw of a relatively big club and a decent local catchment.

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> Chet, the point still stands. He's had a winning
> car all the way through. The only other driver
> who's been in that situation has been Kimi.

I wasn't aware the Sauber was a winning car?

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Gav means from 07 I persume since that was my basis for comparison.

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"Trulli was slowing down like he wanted to have a picnic" LOL

Thats my point, Hamilton gets the fact he was part of a driver development program by a forward thinking Mclaren years ago thrown in his face, yet its no different to what United did with the young protege Giggs.

I think a few teams have signed up young karters since the Hamilton thing paved the way to bring them through. Iirc Ferrari did it a few years back & i think Mclaren have another protege on their books, i know they've had the young driver program thing for years, but i think signing up 8 year olds is something fairly recent.




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